Catholics, and why we don't go to "other churches"

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Izdaari said:
Well, the problem there is apparently that the family went to a JW’s Kingdom Hall. And one would expect to encounter heretical teachings there, such as for example getting the nature of Christ all wrong. That doesn’t apply so much to non-cult churches.
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Not necessarily true. Baptist deny Mary’s perpetual virginity and Purgatory. It is very applicable as well.
 
I have been to service in non-catholic churches, and it is a difficult experience, because even if I enjoy the singing, and the nice discussion about the gospel. It is not a true mass. The eucharist is not present. It is just a nice gathering to praise God.
 
Patavium said:
I have been to service in non-catholic churches, and it is a difficult experience, because even if I enjoy the singing, and the nice discussion about the gospel. It is not a true mass. The eucharist is not present. It is just a nice gathering to praise God.
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Exactly! How much closer can one get to Jesus through the Eucharist? How much more Jesus can one get? We receive Him 100%! 👍
 
Patavium said:
I have been to service in non-catholic churches, and it is a difficult experience, because even if I enjoy the singing, and the nice discussion about the gospel. It is not a true mass. The eucharist is not present. It is just a nice gathering to praise God.
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Indeed. In my experience, I find that most of these gatherings are contingent upon the comfort and security of those so gathered, as opposed to a real, solid, true desire to praise God and recognize the beauty and sacrifice of Jesus’ life for us. The contemporary service I used to attend during my brief stint away from the Church was all loud music, assurances that what the congregation was doing was a-ok with God, and frequent breaks for coffee and pastries.

There is no reminder of what exactly it is that Jesus did for us, nor of the lineage and beauty and power of an institution that Jesus, as the Good Sheppard, so thoughtfully and lovingly provided for us. He is not there in the simple breaking of a loaf of Hawaiian bread and a sip of Welch’s grape juice, no matter how thoughtful and nice the gesture may be.

There is no sense of sacrifice, of duty and honor and love, in the non-Catholic gatherings that I used to attend. I much prefer a solemn and beautiful Rosary in terms of my outside-Church gatherings, something which focuses the will and prayerful mind towards the realities of why we are here, and what God expects of us, and the treasures and strengths He gave us to accomplish all of that.

Just my two cents.
 
loko said:
No, if he did, he would not have given them the Eucharist. To do so would go against Church Teachings.

According to my Bishop, the only circumstance when a non-Catholic can receive the Eucharist would be if they were near death AND they believe in Transubustantiation.

catholic.com/tracts/who-can-receive-communion

youtube.com/watch?v=8pQIYpYEsCc

youtube.com/watch?v=cG76FWFcZnE
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Also be aware that Anglicans are allowed to receive the Eucharist in France if they are not within reasonable distance of an Anglican church. This was agreed by the French Bishops in the 1970s.
 
Nicea325 said:
Not necessarily true. Baptist deny Mary’s perpetual virginity and Purgatory. It is very applicable as well.
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I suppose. But since I agree with the Baptists on those two points, I couldn’t consider that heretical. As someone once said: “Orthodoxy is my doxy. Heterodoxy is another man’s doxy.”
 
pablope said:
Here is one standard that could help you…

From 1Sam 15…22 Samuel said,

“ Has the Lord as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices

As in obeying the voice of the Lord?

Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,

And to heed than the fat of rams.

23 “For rebellion is as the sin of divination,

And insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry.

Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,

He has also rejected you from being king.”

Which church or churches was/were borne out of disobedience and rebellion?
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That kind of begs the question though: Was Martin Luther disobeying the Church… or obeying God? Protestants and Catholics will answer that one differently.
 
Izdaari said:
That kind of begs the question though: Was Martin Luther disobeying the Church… or obeying God? Protestants and Catholics will answer that one differently.
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well, it begs the question too…Is God the author of confusion, disunity and continuous/endless splitting? Would God cause the church He established to split? Thereby making false the Scripture exhortation and Christ’s prayer for unity, to have one faith, one belief?

Besides, would God disregard Heb 13…17 Have confidence in your leaders and **submit to their authority, **because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you.

And why is it, that Catherine of Sienna can cause the Church, the papacy to reform without the need to split the Church?

So let me ask you…which reforms are from God…Catherine’s or Luther’s?
 
Izdaari said:
I suppose. But since I agree with the Baptists on those two points, I couldn’t consider that heretical. As someone once said: “Orthodoxy is my doxy. Heterodoxy is another man’s doxy.”
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Ah… the beauty of Protestantism is that you can have your Baptist cake and eat Luther’s too.
 
pablope said:
So let me ask you…which reforms are from God…Catherine’s or Luther’s?
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I’ll point out that the Catholic church now has a Catechism for the laity, most Masses are in the vernacular, nobody pays for indulgences, and my good catholic friends use Scripture to debate me.

Just perhaps… Luther wasn’t entirely full of bad ideas. 🙂
 
Izdaari said:
I suppose. But since I agree with the Baptists on those two points, I couldn’t consider that heretical."
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The Lutheran Book of Concorde say this about Mary:

Mary, the most blessed virgin, did not conceive a mere, ordinary human being, but a human being who is truly the Son of the most high God, as the angel testifies. He demonstrated his divine majesty even in his mother’s womb in that he was born of a virgin without violating her virginity. Therefore she is truly the mother of God and yet remained a virgin

Luther himself believed in Mary’s subsequent perpetual virginity.

I will say that most Lutheran churches really are centered exclusively around the triune God - the saints and Mary hardly get much notice.
 
Izdaari said:
I suppose. But since I agree with the Baptists on those two points, I couldn’t consider that heretical. As someone once said: “Orthodoxy is my doxy. Heterodoxy is another man’s doxy.”
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You agree with Baptists, Mary had other children? Show me one place in Scripture clearly stating gave birth to other children after Jesus’ and I will become a Protestant. Purgatory has always been taught from the beginning of Christianity and prior. As I have told opposers of Purgatory show me when this late “invention” came about and by whom and where?
 
benjohnson said:
The Lutheran Book of Concorde say this about Mary:

Mary, the most blessed virgin, did not conceive a mere, ordinary human being, but a human being who is truly the Son of the most high God, as the angel testifies. He demonstrated his divine majesty even in his mother’s womb in that he was born of a virgin without violating her virginity. Therefore she is truly the mother of God and yet remained a virgin

Luther himself believed in Mary’s subsequent perpetual virginity.

I will say that most Lutheran churches really are centered exclusively around the triune God - the saints and Mary hardly get much notice.
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Shame on us, for the second part. :o ISTM we can walk and chew gum at the same time. And from our Apology
Our Confession approves honors to the saints. For here a threefold honor is to be approved. The first is thanksgiving. For we ought to give thanks to God because He has shown examples of mercy; because He has shown that He wishes to save men; because He has given teachers or other gifts to the Church. And these gifts, as they are the greatest, should be amplified, and the saints themselves should be praised, who have faithfully used these gifts, just as Christ praises faithful business-men, 5] Matt. 25:21, 23. The second service is the strengthening of our faith; when we see the denial forgiven Peter, we also are encouraged to believe the more that grace 6] truly superabounds over sin, Rom. 5:20. The third honor is the imitation, first, of faith, then of the other virtues, which every one should imitate according to his calling. 7] These true honors the adversaries do not require. They dispute only concerning invocation, which, even though it would have no danger, nevertheless is not necessary.
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8] Besides, we also grant that the angels pray for us. For there is a testimony in Zech. 1:12, where an angel prays: O Lord of hosts, how long wilt Thou not have mercy on 9] Jerusalem? Although concerning the saints we concede that, just as, when alive, they pray for the Church universal in general, so in heaven they pray for the Church in general, albeit no testimony concerning the praying of the dead is extant in the Scriptures, except the dream taken from the Second Book of Maccabees, 15:14.
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How can we practice this three-fold honor if we scarcely speak a word of them? Do you agree with me, Ben, that Philip, both Martins,et al, would be pleased with us in this area?

Jon
 
Izdaari said:
That kind of begs the question though: Was Martin Luther disobeying the Church… or obeying God? Protestants and Catholics will answer that one differently.
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Disobeying the Church is disobeying God, so he was disobeying both, putting his soul in danger.
 
Izdaari said:
Agreed. I am where I believe God’s truth to be. I am probably wrong about some of it, but whaddaya gonna do? 🤷

If I believed, as you say, that the Catholic Church has the full truth and other Christian churches only have partial truth, I could use that as my standard. But I don’t believe that.
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You are not where the truth is. You have found people who agree with you so you think it must be true. Something isn’t true just because someone believes it. In other words, where you are isn’t true just because you believe that is where God’s truth is to be.

Hopefully you will keep searching for the truth and God will lead you. 🙂
 
followingtheway said:
I was in school, in the nurse’s office. When two nurses were talking. Religion came up. One nurse Protestant and the other was Catholic. I think the Catholic one said she had to drive to the nearest Catholic Church (not that far, but she made it seem like it) as opposed just walking up the street to nearest Baptist Church, just a block from my school.

The Protestant nurse said “I don’t understand why Catholic don’t just go to the Baptist Church”

I don’t even know how to respond. What’s everyone else’s take on this?
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In my case, i go to other churches (Baptists, UCCP, INC, Phil Independent Church, SDA, WCC, etc) whenever I am invited. in some cases, i even bring along my family in attending their services (in the spirit of ecuminism). But there never was a time when those who invited me has reciprocated, i.e., would come to Roman Catholic churches or activities. My children, after attending their services, will always miss the magnificence of the Holy Mass and the Holy Eucharist. I also attended Protestant bible sharing groups and when they would attempt to baptize me again, i always turn them down because i am already baptized as a Roman Catholic. I am a member of a Roman Catholic charismatic community and quite active in our parish. I have studied and graduated from Catholic schools and university. I am proud to be a Roman Catholic. Praise the Lord!.
 
pedrodoscinco said:
In my case, i go to other churches (Baptists, UCCP, INC, Phil Independent Church, SDA, WCC, etc) whenever I am invited. in some cases, i even bring along my family in attending their services (in the spirit of ecuminism). But there never was a time when those who invited me has reciprocated, i.e., would come to Roman Catholic churches or activities. My children, after attending their services, will always miss the magnificence of the Holy Mass and the Holy Eucharist. I also attended Protestant bible sharing groups and when they would attempt to baptize me again, i always turn them down because i am already baptized as a Roman Catholic. I am a member of a Roman Catholic charismatic community and quite active in our parish. I have studied and graduated from Catholic schools and university. I am proud to be a Roman Catholic. Praise the Lord!.
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Yes, I have the same experience. Protestant always invite me to their services, and bible study groups. I attend, but when I invited them to the Catholic Church, they never can make it 🤷.
 
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