Catholics apposed to catholic teaching

[commenter]

I am glad you threw progressives in there and didn’t just leave it at secularists. Since progressive Christians neither believe they are keeping God at arm’s length nor believe they are against God. They merely believe differently than you. Peace.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not entitled to dishonest actions.

Suppose someone applies for a job teaching the Catholic Faith, assuring parents who pay tuition that their children will be taught what the Church actually teaches. Then the teacher presents ideas from the secular media, with a little religious wording added. It doesn’t really matter what they call themselves - “Progressive Christian”, or “Vatican III Catholic” or whatever.

I can’t judge them for having certain beliefs. Their actions can be judged.

Their actions are dishonest.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not entitled to dishonest actions.

Suppose someone applies for a job teaching the Catholic Faith, assuring parents who pay tuition that their children will be taught what the Church actually teaches. Then the teacher presents ideas from the secular media, with a little religious wording added. It doesn’t really matter what they call themselves - “Progressive Christian”, or “Vatican III Catholic” or whatever.

I can’t judge them for having certain beliefs. Their actions can be judged.

Their actions are dishonest.

If they were baptized in a Catholic church or received into it, the Church actually teaches they are Catholic. It’s not a “nice excuse” as another poster suggested. It’s Catholic teaching. So for them to take the action and say they are not Catholic would too be dishonest if you’re solely going by Catholic teaching. I don’t know maybe the answer is for the Church to change it’s teaching on who is a Catholic. That way only those fully faithful to Catholic belief and opinions would be considered Catholic and hired as teachers.

 

[commenter]

If they were baptized in a Catholic church or received into it, the Church actually teaches they are Catholic. It’s not a “nice excuse” as another poster suggested. It’s Catholic teaching. So for them to take the action and say they are not Catholic would too be dishonest if you’re solely going by Catholic teaching. I don’t know maybe the answer is for the Church to change it’s teaching on who is a Catholic. That way only those fully faithful to Catholic belief and opinions would be considered Catholic and hired as teachers.

A person can be Catholic, and also a teacher. That does not necessarily make them a “Catholic teacher”, even if they happen to teach in a Catholic school.

A “Catholic teacher” is someone who teaches the Catholic Faith (consistent with what the Magisterium teaches). If they teach something else besides the Magisterium, they aren’t “Catholic teachers”. This is not to deny they are Catholic individuals.

 

[Sy_Noe]

A person can be Catholic, and also a teacher. That does not necessarily make them a “Catholic teacher”, even if they happen to teach in a Catholic school.

A “Catholic teacher” is someone who teaches the Catholic Faith (consistent with what the Magisterium teaches). If they teach something else besides the Magisterium, they aren’t “Catholic teachers”. This is not to deny they are Catholic individuals.

Thar’s basically what I meant. Perhaps I didn’t word it clearly enough. But if the Church changed its teaching on who is a Catholic to be only those most fully faithful to Catholic belief and opinion, then only those fully faithful to Catholic belief and opinions would be considered Catholic and hired as Catholic teachers.

 

[Tigg]

If they were baptized in a Catholic church or received into it, the Church actually teaches they are Catholic. It’s not a “nice excuse” as another poster suggested. It’s Catholic teaching. So for them to take the action and say they are not Catholic would too be dishonest if you’re solely going by Catholic teaching. I don’t know maybe the answer is for the Church to change it’s teaching on who is a Catholic. That way only those fully faithful to Catholic belief and opinions would be considered Catholic and hired as teachers.

Are we now using the literal to excuse bad intent? Just sayin…I thought educators would generally be dedicated to their vocation and earnest in wanting to teach what they really believe in.

 

[Regina7]

There is a small Catholic school with my parish. Though my kids never went there, I do teach RE so I’m inside there quite a bit. I was shocked to see displays on the wall. One was about holidays. There was a poster about Jewish days, Ramaadan, and one that talked all about Allah. Then there was a poster of Christmas that discussed Santa, reindeers and presents- no mention whatsoever of Jesus. A look around other classrooms showed other wall displays promoting other religions, dream catchers, and other such stuff. I was appalled (and so was Father when I showed him).

Most of the teachers at this school are young and fresh out of college. Very few are practicing Catholics. I honestly think they teach here only to get teaching experience. The Catholic schools pay less than the public, they aren’t faithfully Catholic, so I can only surmise that this school was not their first choice. I imagine they will leave Ina few years when they get better jobs.

 

[Shaolen]

I had been thinking of getting a degree in theology or some other catholic related degree and possibly teaching at a catholic school and now I’m thinking this is really important

 

[ocdnms]

I received a poor catechism growing up, left the church, and was ignorant of most of the Church’s teachings. I was called back to the Church by the Holy Spirit, and began reading. My pastor gave me a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and I read it cover to cover. Now I know the teachings of the Church, and although some are certainly difficult to adhere to, and I often find myself in the confessional, I accept all of the Church’s teachings as one of the pillars of our faith (The Magisterium). It seems that all of this debate we are having these days is irrelevant and counter productive . We follow the teachings of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Is this not what separates us from protestants?

 

[Tigg]

I received a poor catechism growing up, left the church, and was ignorant of most of the Church’s teachings. I was called back to the Church by the Holy Spirit, and began reading. My pastor gave me a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and I read it cover to cover. Now I know the teachings of the Church, and although some are certainly difficult to adhere to, and I often find myself in the confessional, I accept all of the Church’s teachings as one of the pillars of our faith (The Magisterium). It seems that all of this debate we are having these days is irrelevant and counter productive . We follow the teachings of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Is this not what separates us from protestants?

Isn’t it the most marvelous thing when one goes astray, exploring this thing and that, only to realize the Spirit is conforming both reason and faith, and in reality, there is no opposition of each to the other, but only complementarity. Glory in the truth and the love and be blessed!

 

[Sy_Noe]

There is a small Catholic school with my parish. Though my kids never went there, I do teach RE so I’m inside there quite a bit. I was shocked to see displays on the wall. One was about holidays. There was a poster about Jewish days, Ramaadan, and one that talked all about Allah. Then there was a poster of Christmas that discussed Santa, reindeers and presents- no mention whatsoever of Jesus. A look around other classrooms showed other wall displays promoting other religions, dream catchers, and other such stuff. I was appalled (and so was Father when I showed him).

Several yrs back I attended a parish on Christmas Eve and the priest said he didn’t know who had been naughty or who had been nice but we were soon going to find out when Santa came tonight. Those of us in the pews simply had a good laugh. No one seemed to be appalled that Santa was discussed as far as I could tell.

 

[Regina7]

Several yrs back I attended a parish on Christmas Eve and the priest said he didn’t know who had been naughty or who had been nice but we were soon going to find out when Santa came tonight. Those of us in the pews simply had a good laugh. No one seemed to be appalled that Santa was discussed as far as I could tell.

It wasn’t upsetting that Santa was mentioned as St. Nicholas was a real person. What was upsetting is that Jesus was not mentioned.

 

[sallybutler]

There is a small Catholic school with my parish. Though my kids never went there, I do teach RE so I’m inside there quite a bit. I was shocked to see displays on the wall. One was about holidays. There was a poster about Jewish days, Ramaadan, and one that talked all about Allah. Then there was a poster of Christmas that discussed Santa, reindeers and presents- no mention whatsoever of Jesus. A look around other classrooms showed other wall displays promoting other religions, dream catchers, and other such stuff. I was appalled (and so was Father when I showed him).

Most of the teachers at this school are young and fresh out of college. Very few are practicing Catholics. I honestly think they teach here only to get teaching experience. The Catholic schools pay less than the public, they aren’t faithfully Catholic, so I can only surmise that this school was not their first choice. I imagine they will leave Ina few years when they get better jobs.

I had to take a course in comparative theology when I was in high school. It was a Catholic high school and this was 40 years ago.

The Catholic boarding school my mother went to (about 60 years ago) would have the non-Catholic students attend an Ethics class while the Catholic students were in their religion class.

I think the schools have always accomodated students of other religions.

 

[Sy_Noe]

It wasn’t upsetting that Santa was mentioned as St. Nicholas was a real person. What was upsetting is that Jesus was not mentioned.

I understand and I’m certain Jesus was mentioned at the Mass I attended. But maybe those young teachers mentioned Him too during their instruction beyond what pictures you saw on the wall.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I had to take a course in comparative theology when I was in high school. It was a Catholic high school and this was 40 years ago.

The Catholic boarding school my mother went to (about 60 years ago) would have the non-Catholic students attend an Ethics class while the Catholic students were in their religion class.

I think the schools have always accomodated students of other religions.

I personally just don’t see fear in Catholics studying comparative theology and non Catholics taking an ethics class. We do afterall live in a vast world made up of many different people. And when Catholic kids leave the confines of their schools and get out into the world, they will be interacting with people of all sorts of beliefs and views. Also since not all students at Catholic schools are Catholic, they actually have contact with others even there. And think it was good to accomodate all students.