Catholics are ceding too much ground to the homosexual agenda

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the bible says it clearly about what homosexual is, anything else is mans laws not gods.

i dont approve of it, and i am tired of hearing about how they want church weddings so on when its not gods word. you want a civil union that is fine, but you cannot change the law of god.

i find it funny how its all equality for gays but life in prison for pedophile so on, i graduated criminology and from what i read on the subject its out of there control and they cant help it, so tell me how gays should be treated one way but you throw others for the same thinking in jail instead of getting help?
 
edwest2 said:
A famous repetition. Vatican II, which was a good thing, was turned into a scapegoat. A scapegoat for dissidents inside the Church -

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704586504574654282563939764.html

and for the Sex without love Revolution, which we have suffered through to this day. The Church was not responsible for the graphic porn being sold in Adult Bookstores or for strip clubs or for topless bars. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS CATHOLICS. THE CHURCH did not cause any of that. Here’s another quote; “Religion is the opiate of the masses.” THE PLAN of the dissidents, Hippies and radicals was to turn SEX into the opiate of the masses, and so they opened all those places for the PLANNED addictions that many of us suffer from to occur.

We protested in the 1970s and we still protest today, but the media was gradually turned into the image and likeness of their twisted and immoral world. And they had and still have, millions of dollars and high priced lawyers that tell us “WE have the First Amendment right to do this” you religious nuts.

No, we are not without blame but it should come as no surprise that we are getting in your face immorality now, 24/7.

Peace,
Ed
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Vatican II was supposed to tidy up the loose ends left by Vatican I. which after all, was suddenly ended by the annexation of Rome. Since then, we have the modernist heresies, which were suppressed but which sprang up again after the bishops leapt from their backs to acclaim a second pentecost.
 
So here’s my question to my fellow Catholics.
  1. Why should we cede to the homosexualists?
  2. Why should we bow down to them? They are not our overlords.
 
Mar044: I am confused. Are you comparing pedophiles on the same level as homosexuals? If so, I will just let you know, that truly offends me, as I am a bisexual female. Why would something that, no matter how hard I tried to fight it, make me a bad person? The struggles I went through to try and convince myself that I was something I’m not put a toll on my life. When my parents told me that they accepted me, you have no idea what a relief that was to me.

Being homosexual is not a sin. Acting upon the homosexual tendencies is.
Pedophiles pray on children, homosexuals are attracted to people of the same gender. I see no correlation.

I do not know any homosexuals who want to be married in the church, but they would like a LEGAL marriage. There is a big difference. I do not believe that the church should have to accommodate homosexual marriages. That would oppress religious right to believe what they please. But then why is it still illegal? If church and state are separated, then why is still illegal? Oppressing love is immoral.
BTNYC said:
Not teaching children about homosexuality is hardly “supporting faith teaching.” It’s simply not doing something public schools have no right to be doing.

I attended NYC public schools from 1983 - 1993, and I heard not a single reference to homosexuality from any of my teachers. That was as it should be, because public schools have no right to teach anything to children at all about this subject, or any other subject pertaining to sexual morality.
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I am curious, since you did attend public schools did you have abstinence-only education or did you have safe sex education? I am in a human sexuality class right now and we learn about sexual relations between both genders–heterosexual and homosexual. I feel that if you were taught safe sex education, then it should include homosexual as well as heterosexual. Just because it’s being taught doesn’t mean it’s being indoctrinated in your children. People, no matter what their sexual identity is, should be entitled to the same type of education, especially when saftey is involved. Even if you don’t agree with the “lifestyle” (if that’s what you choose to call it), people can’t chose, and they should be able to access the same education to make safe decisions.

And if students do not learn such on the subject of sexual morality, where will they learn it? Not many parents teach their children enough about the subject and if schools don’t teacher it, where will they learn?
 
Crescentinus said:
So here’s my question to my fellow Catholics.
  1. Why should we cede to the homosexualists?
  2. Why should we bow down to them? They are not our overlords.
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Too many Catholics are:

A) Not fully informed about Church teaching regarding any type of same-sex unions.

B) Too many Catholics are confused by the lie that they have no right to “impose” their beliefs on anyone. Do not the homosexual activists want to impose their beliefs on all Christians and those who are against same-sex unions?

C) Too many Catholics don’t understand that any legal union for same-sex people is meant to normalize gay sex, with benefits:

Commitment Ceremony
Domestic Partnership
Civil Union

Gay organizations have stated that only same-sex marriage is acceptable. Too many Catholics think that the other less-than-marriage unions are OK, they are not. And gay activists will tell you that those other unions means all gays are considered to be second-class citizens, so only same-sex marriage will make them illogically “equal.”

Peace,
Ed
 
Ameko said:
Mar044: I am confused. Are you comparing pedophiles on the same level as homosexuals? If so, I will just let you know, that truly offends me, as I am a bisexual female. ** Why would something that, no matter how hard I tried to fight it, make me a bad person? ** The struggles I went through to try and convince myself that I was something I’m not put a toll on my life. When my parents told me that they accepted me, you have no idea what a relief that was to me.

Being homosexual is not a sin. Acting upon the homosexual tendencies is.
Pedophiles pray on children, homosexuals are attracted to people of the same gender. I see no correlation.
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The underlined portion is his point, because it holds true regarding both pedophiles and homosexuals.
 
There is a clear definition between two consenting adults and an adult preying on a child.

And I do not think Catholics should have to “accept” homosexuals into the church life, but in society there are different people with different views everywhere. Some people will be homosexual and you do not have to like it, but not respecting their right to be different causes conflict and is anti-love. I learned, while growing up in a Catholic setting, that love is the most important thing.

1 Corinthians 13:13

So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

People are not going to always get along, but respecting each other leads to peaceful coexistence, which I think is the most important thing of all. I am just sick of everyone oppressing everyone else.
You never have to accept this, just as they never have to accept God in their lives. It just seems that outside of the church, people have to try and get along, which won’t work if one group of people is constantly being denied a right to equal love.
 
Ameko said:
There is a clear definition between two consenting adults and an adult preying on a child.

And I do not think Catholics should have to “accept” homosexuals into the church life, but in society there are different people with different views everywhere. Some people will be homosexual and you do not have to like it, but not respecting their right to be different causes conflict and is anti-love. I learned, while growing up in a Catholic setting, that love is the most important thing.

1 Corinthians 13:13

So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

People are not going to always get along, but respecting each other leads to peaceful coexistence, which I think is the most important thing of all. I am just sick of everyone oppressing everyone else.
You never have to accept this, just as they never have to accept God in their lives. It just seems that outside of the church, people have to try and get along, which won’t work if one group of people is constantly being denied a right to equal love.
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I was just translating; you seemed to have missed his point so I showed you to it.
 
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