Catholics ARE "Christians"; so why aren't all Christians Catholic?

[SyroMalankara]

Shall I find examples of a few one off Catholic priests with odd beliefs?

There’s always a few odd balls who don’t tow the Church line, even in the RCC. No Christian denomination believes in the Book of Mormon or Joseph Smith.

Catholic priests with odd beliefs on substantial Christian basics? I’d hope the few are suspended, and if unrepentant censured, and further laicized if unable to be actually Catholic. Is there such a mechanism in place for generic “Christianity”?

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Um, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox would disagree with this statement…

No they wouldn’t; sacramentally speaking.

But? your view of being Christian has to do with politics, culture, language, one’s social status or class etc. Then no one is Christian according to a secular view of Christians.

What is an interesting subject that addresses your view or perspective of being Christian, has to do with the validity of one’s baptism or one who can administer valid sacraments.

 

[Peter_J]

Your comment should read, non-Catholic Christians are a subset of Catholicism.

No. I stand by my original statement as an authentic to my views and beliefs.

Aristotle’s Law of Noncontradiction supports what you’re saying as well: someone who is non Catholic cannot, at the same time and in the same respect, be a member of the set Catholics. (I don’t think I’ve ever discussed that Law with Mormons before, but that’s beside the point. )

 

[Peter_J]

The Roman Catholic church broke away in 1054 when it excommunicated Michael Cerularius and the Greek church.

No, the Roman Catholic church was broken away from in 1054 when it excommunicated Michael Cerularius and the Greek church.

 

[Adonia]

Many Christians are not Catholics because they disagree with the Roman Rite’s interpretation of the Holy Scriptures. They simply think that they know better than the accumulated knowledge of over 2000 years of Christian teachings by the Catholic Church.

 

[PartyOnBarth]

This is a two part question:

1. D you believe {why or why not} that Catholics are Christians?

Yes.

1. Catholics ARE Christians, so why aren’t all Christians Catholics?

Because of legitimate disagreement with Catholic teaching or practice.

 

[total_Catholic]

catholicfidelity.com/the-church-vs-protestant-denomination-by-padro

 

[Peter_J]

The Roman Catholic church broke away in 1054 when it excommunicated Michael Cerularius and the Greek church.

No, the Roman Catholic church was broken away from in 1054 when it excommunicated Michael Cerularius and the Greek church.

^^ I was trying to see how long we could go back-and-forth with that, before it became boring.

(“I guess not very long.” - Andre the Giant, 1987)

 

[PJM]

Yes, of course Catholics are Christians. Catholicism is a subset of broader Christianity.

For the sake of discussion here

Catholicism existed at least 1,000 years before Christianity, in fact some 1,500 years before the reformation. So how then are “We” a subset?

God Bless you
Patrick

 

[PJM]

Yes, absolutely, because Catholics profess Jesus as Lord and they believe in Him, while also identifying as Christians, and they have always done so.

Rather, I might ask with equal validity:

Why aren’t all Christians Eastern Orthodox? Why aren’t all Christians Oriental Orthodox? Why aren’t all Christians Nestorians? Why aren’t all Christians Protestants? Why aren’t all Christians Restorationists? Why aren’t all Christians Spiritualist Christians? Why aren’t all Christians Racialist Christians? Why aren’t all Christians Esoteric Christians? Why aren’t all Christians Messianic Christians? Why aren’t all Christians… non-Christians?

Thanks for your post!

I agree with you 1st statement

BUT as to your 2nd one:

It seems to Me, that you assume a parity here that simply does not exist.

Nowhere in the entire bible can it be demonstrated that GOD [Yahweh or Jesus} even one time allowed, or tolerated competing sets of faith beliefs. The horror stories in the OT testify to this and do the singular tense terms Jesus consistently choose such as

Mt 16:18 " MY CHURCH {one cannot seperate the beliefs of a “church: from the :church” itself.

And John 17:18-19 "[18] As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent THEM into the world. [19] And for THEM** do I sanctify myself,** that they also may be sanctified in truth.

God Bless you

Patrick

 

[PJM]

These are already One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

These below are considered catholic and fall under the umbrella of the Catholic church by virtue of a valid baptism.

If their baptism is not a valid baptism, then they do not fall under the protection of the Catholic Church.

Peace be with you

Thank you!
Patrick

 

[PJM]

Yes.

Because of legitimate disagreement with Catholic teaching or practice.

Thank you sincerely,

Please share with us exactly what you mean by “legitimate disagreements”, so that we may discuss them:thumbsup:

God Bless you

Patrick

 

[PartyOnBarth]

Thank you sincerely,

Please share with us exactly what you mean by “legitimate disagreements”, so that we may discuss them:thumbsup:

God Bless you

Patrick

Sure. I for example disagree that I as a Christian worship the Allah of Islam. The Roman Catholic Church believes that I do.

 

[Tomdstone]

Nowhere in the entire bible can it be demonstrated that GOD [Yahweh or Jesus} even one time allowed, or tolerated competing sets of faith beliefs.

The Jews are God’s chosen people and they never believed in the Trinity, either now or before in the OT.
[/QUOTE]

 

[alwayswill]

This is a two part question:

1. D you believe {why or why not} that Catholics are Christians?
2. Catholics ARE Christians, so why aren’t all Christians Catholics?

God Bless you

Patrick

sets, subsets,
and basic logic

1. Do you believe {why or why not} that dogs are animals?
2. dogs ARE animals, so why aren’t all animals dogs?

The non-Catholic Christian view is that Catholicism is a subset within Christianity

or to say it another way;
(Cap C , proper noun) Catholics are a subset of (small c , adjective) catholic church

 

[alwayswill]

For the sake of discussion here

Catholicism existed at least 1,000 years before Christianity, in fact some 1,500 years before the reformation. So how then are “We” a subset?

God Bless you
Patrick

because no Apostle ever taught this

““Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.””

 

[Peter_J]

Sure. I for example disagree that I as a Christian worship the Allah of Islam. The Roman Catholic Church believes that I do.

Christianity is one religion, Islam is another.

 

[Peter_J]

sets, subsets,
and basic logic

1. Do you believe {why or why not} that dogs are animals?
2. dogs ARE animals, so why aren’t all animals dogs?

The non-Catholic Christian view is that Catholicism is a subset within Christianity

That’s the **Catholic **view. The fact that one webpage says “non-Catholic Christians are a subset of Catholicism” doesn’t change anything. (Well, okay, it might change *something *e.g. how much faith I have in the internet; but you get the idea.)

 

[alwayswill]

…
The non-Catholic Christian view is that Catholicism is a subset within Christianity
…

That’s the **Catholic **view. The fact that one webpage says “non-Catholic Christians are a subset of Catholicism” doesn’t change anything. (Well, okay, it might change *something *e.g. how much faith I have in the internet; but you get the idea.)

For the sake of discussion here

Catholicism existed at least 1,000 years before Christianity, in fact some 1,500 years before the reformation. So how then are “We” a subset?

God Bless you
Patrick

so hard to follow…

 

[Peter_J]

so hard to follow…

Is it?

If you’re a Catholic, then you’re a Christian I.e. your religion is Christianity. I think it’s this thread that’s the issue.