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Again sincere thanks for the nudge:thumbsup:
God Bless you,
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God Bless you,
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My dear freind in Christ,
Normally I would be inclined to just pass on this posters view, but as the OP I feel an obligation to share a different perspective.
Sweeping a problem under the table to speak metaphorically, does nothing to solve the problem. And to be clear, the differences that exist between the Catholic and all other Christian communities Do need to be discussed, with charity, with facts, with clarity and and, God Wiling, be resolved.
Our Protestant t {means “to PROTEST”"} Brethren who in-large hold to the bible as being God’s Divinely Inspired WORDS {2nd Timothy 3:16-17 & Mt. 4:4 seem to miss that fact that not one time, not in one place, does God; Yahweh or Christ ever approve of competition faith beliefs, which is in fact what all contrary beliefs to those of Christ RCC are factually are, are factually doing.
We Do hold a common belief in One True God {the 1st Commandment}, yet fail to recognize, to acknowledge that God, yes even GOD is only capable of having, of holding JUST One set of faith beliefs. Even GOD cannot hold to contrary, and at times even contradictory positions on the same defined issues.
So it is charity that we share truth, which can only be single per defined. often LONG-defined issues.
While I accept you desire as certainly being the easy route to take, the quick fix", it is not IMO what Jesus Himself would have us do
Take Up your Cross and Follow Me
Phil.2: 8 “And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. ”
Acts Of Apostles 2:40
And with very many other words did he testify and exhort them, saying: Save yourselves from this perverse generation.
2 Corinthians 6:1
And we helping do exhort you, that you receive not the grace of God in vain.
Titus 1:9
Embracing that faithful word which is according to doctrine, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine, and to convince the gainsayers.
It is because of love, because we care, because we are concerned that we take up the crosses of TRUTH, and try to share them as Jesus would have us do. Amen!
God Bless you
Patrick
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AMEN!
God Bless you
Patrick
God Bless you
Patrick
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Padres1969
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Please keep in mind that they are not “Orthodox” in the same meaning of the word when using it to refer to the modern Eastern Orthodox Churches which split with the Latin Church in 1054. The Oriental Orthodox and Assyrian Church, both of which split with the rest of Early Christianity in the 400’s are not affiliated with those churches that resulted from the 1054 Great Schism any more than they are affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church.
You ARE however correct in that two “Orthodox” churches were in SCHISM as a prelude to the "Great Eastern Schism of AD 1054.
I couldn’t locate any information of the sizes of these two churches at the time of their separation, but no doubt is was notable
Thank you for the church history lesson
God Bless you
Patrick
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Finally somebody speaks the truth !
I had a person tell me Catholics are not Christians before and it was because she is Methodist and her daughter married a Catholic and converted and raised her children in the faith.
So,I choked her problem up as bitterness.
Most denominations don’t think the Catholic church is the first church because it minimizes their own churches history.
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alwayswill
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most Catholics are Christians : some Catholics are atheists
books.google.com/books?id=JKgZEjvB5cEC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
" once a Catholic by baptism or reception one remain always remains a Catholic…Even those who have joined other religions, have become atheists or agnostics have been excommunicated remains Catholics."
-New commentary on the Code of Canon Law> page 63
read what Jimmy Akin says here
jimmyakin.org/2009/12/once-a-catholic-.html
As of the time the motu proprio goes into effect, therefore, anybody who has ever been a Catholic (even if they were baptized one as an infant and then raised something else) must follow the same marriage laws as those who consider themselves Catholic or their marriages will be invalid.
It brings to mind the old saying, “Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.” I’m not sure what people always had in mind by this saying–whether they were saying that Catholic culture runs deep in the soul, even if one joins another church; whether they were asserting that it is impossible to truly leave the Church; or whether they were asserting something else.
Whatever was meant, though, and whatever nuances have been introduced theologically about kinds or degrees of ecclesial communion, **going forward everybody who has ever been Catholic will be juridically Catholic, attempts at formal defection or no.
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wdtprs.com/blog/2011/03/quaeritur-defection-from-the-catholic-church/
Since Omnium in mentem took effect on 9 April 2010, defection from the faith no longer has any canonical effect. “Defection” does not release one from ecclesiastical law, including the observance of canonical form in marriage.
Once a Catholic, always a Catholic is not just cultural, or emotional… it is juridical. Baptism to death, friends.
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Yes, that means they do not need to be re-baptized or re-confirmed if they wish to Reconcile with God. They need only to confess their sins and repent to hear the Word of Absolution.
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alwayswill
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“.Even those who have joined other religions, have become atheists or agnostics have been excommunicated remains Catholics.”"
so are there Catholic atheists?
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rcwitness
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In Baptism and Confirmation, I guess. But in faithfulness, no.
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alwayswill
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the OP asks “…, so why aren’t all Christians Catholics?”
As it is possible for there to be atheist Catholic
and it is impossible for there to be such a thing as an atheist Christian
could that be the reason that not all Christians are Catholic?
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I only want to make the point that** when someone starts a post like this, without first defining the terms nearly all responses are valid.
just look at the previous posts: nearly everyone is using a different definition of Catholic and Christian
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Would a Christian who was Baptized and Confirmed, then dabbled in other faiths (or abandoned faith) need to be re-baptized and re-confirmed if he were to repent of unfaithfulness?
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Because many Christians do not think that the use of the pill or other method of artificial birth control pill by married couples is always gravely wrong. Take for example a married couple having financial difficulties, and with many children to support.
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That’s a biggie, huh?
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Tomdstone
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Every grave offense is serious.
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Truth_Faith13
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Yes Catholics are Christians
If you are meaning logically, number 2 makes no sense and is seriously wrong. A dog has 4 legs, a tiger has 4 legs, therefore a tiger is a dog.
If you mean why dont people choose to be Catholic if they believe they are Christian, then there is many different reasons
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after I just said the terms need to be defined: you ask a a question like that
Catholic Christian or non Catholic Christian?
Baptized as an infant by sprinkling or baptized after a confession of faith by immersion?
I was baptized by sprinkling in the Catholic Church as an infant:
When I was born again in my 40s I was baptized after a confession of faith by immersion,
Obviously I believe my infant baptism to be invalid; or I would not feel the need to be baptized by immersion as a believer
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Obviously I believe in Infant Baptism. It’s not about defining a term, then.after I just said the terms need to be defined: you ask a a question like that
Catholic Christian or non Catholic Christian?
Baptized as an infant by sprinkling or baptized after a confession of faith by immersion?
I was baptized by sprinkling in the Catholic Church as an infant:
When I was born again in my 40s I was baptized after a confession of faith by immersion,
Obviously I believe my infant baptism to be invalid; or I would not feel the need to be baptized by immersion as a believer
What if you had wanted to keep your Infant Baptism? Was that not an option for the Communion you entered? Would they have demanded you reject your Infant Baptism?
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I had been Baptized as an infant in the Anglican church…I had left the church as a young teenager and had not been to church until in my 30’s…I then had what is called a “born again” experience in a Pentecostal church…I had been Baptized again by full immersion…I can’t recall if they didn’t see my infant Baptism as valid…but they did consider full immersion as what was practiced by the early Christians…of course at the time I had no knowledge if my infant Baptism was valid or not…when becoming Catholic… the Catholic church did see my infant Baptism as valid…I’m not sure about the Baptism by immersion in the Pentecostal church as I never had any certificate so I used my certificate from my infant Baptism in the Anglican church…I think the Catholic church would see a full immersion Baptism in a Pentecostal…or any Protestant church as valid as long as it was done in “the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit”…now of course being properly catechized in the Catholic faith I know that my infant Baptism was entirely valid so I now believe that at the time I did not need to be “re Baptized”.
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