Catholics ARE "Christians"; so why aren't all Christians Catholic?

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This evening, a interfaith concert, with choirs (LDS, Catholic, Protestant) takes place this evening in my local area SO why would I want to go to sit in the Catholic church to hear the choirs?

Love of music and celebration of Jesus Christ’s birth,further conviction of my Savior and Advocate with God at this wonderful time of the year.

I have attended non musical related opportunities in Catholic buildings for years, with no concern that I would be sent to the door BECAUSE I was not a OFFICIAL member of a parish.
 
CourtingTex said:
This evening, a interfaith concert, with choirs (LDS, Catholic, Protestant) takes place this evening in my local area SO why would I want to go to sit in the Catholic church to hear the choirs?

Love of music and celebration of Jesus Christ’s birth,further conviction of my Savior and Advocate with God at this wonderful time of the year.

I have attended non musical related opportunities in Catholic buildings for years, with no concern that I would be sent to the door BECAUSE I was not a OFFICIAL member of a parish.
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By all means, go if you want. I’m not sure what or why you are asking?
 
rcwitness said:
By all means, go if you want. I’m not sure what or why you are asking?
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I have seen countless times here, Catholics having a concern, fear, whatever it is about going to a non Catholic event of a family member, friend, professional associate

My question, since I have no fear as a Latter Day Saint and no General Authority in Salt Lake City or local authority would tell me I should not be in a Catholic church because…???
 
CourtingTex said:
I have seen countless times here, Catholics having a concern, fear, whatever it is about going to a non Catholic event of a family member, friend, professional associate
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Well “non-Catholic event” could mean anything! If it means a same sex wedding/reception, then those concerns are very valid. If it means a Christmas play/concert, then there should be no worries.
My question, since I have no fear as a Latter Day Saint and no General Authority in Salt Lake City or local authority would tell me I should not be in a Catholic church because…???
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What do you mean by “in a Catholic Church”? That’s not accurate.
 
rcwitness said:
catholic.com/quickquestions/what-is-the-correct-age-for-confirmation

As for the United States, it’s 16 yrs.

I appreciate this age. I think it’s good to be formed in the faith and approaching adulthood.
Faith formation (CCD) starts around 6yrs and continues through High School. So here in the States (and in the Latin Rite) Confirmation is given towards the end.
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Finally a straight up honest answer! And one I can accept and have appreciation for. That makes more sense than what I had understood from a Protestant friend who taught Confirmation and hated it because the kids did not for the most part have interest in being there. I am sure each setting is different, perhaps each class. Hopefully each individual all over the world is taught that unless they personally believe then going through the actions is all for naught.
 
Wannano said:
Finally a straight up honest answer! And one I can accept and have appreciation for. That makes more sense than what I had understood from a Protestant friend who taught Confirmation and hated it because the kids did not for the most part have interest in being there. I am sure each setting is different, perhaps each class. Hopefully each individual all over the world is taught that unless they personally believe then going through the actions is all for naught.
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I gave you a straight up answer up thread. Not sure if you read it or not. But given some of your responses I feel you may take this answer as a child MUST be confirmed at age 16. That is not true. A child MAY be confirmed around this age given he/she has gained the knowledge to know what Confirmation is and why they are doing it and freely participates with Confirmation.
 
CourtingTex said:
This evening, a interfaith concert, with choirs (LDS, Catholic, Protestant) takes place this evening in my local area SO why would I want to go to sit in the Catholic church to hear the choirs?

Love of music and celebration of Jesus Christ’s birth,further conviction of my Savior and Advocate with God at this wonderful time of the year.

I have attended non musical related opportunities in Catholic buildings for years, with no concern that I would be sent to the door BECAUSE I was not a OFFICIAL member of a parish.
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I can’t imagine any Catholic Church sending anyone to the door for any reason. I was in Rome recently and saw many of the big Basilicas and Cathedrals there. All were welcomed to enter (with appropriate dress) at any time the buildings were open. The dress code is shoulders and knees must be covers for both men & women. The attendant at the door was only checking for dress code, not if we were Catholic or not.
 
Horton said:
I gave you a straight up answer up thread. Not sure if you read it or not. But given some of your responses I feel you may take this answer as a child MUST be confirmed at age 16. That is not true. A child MAY be confirmed around this age given he/she has gained the knowledge to know what Confirmation is and why they are doing it and freely participates with Confirmation.
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I looked back at your post and realize I got side tracked to the topic of baptism, sorry. I thought my answer to rc above indicated I understood exactly what you have reiterated here.
Thanks for checking.
 
Horton said:
I gave you a straight up answer up thread. Not sure if you read it or not. But given some of your responses I feel you may take this answer as a child MUST be confirmed at age 16. That is not true. A child MAY be confirmed around this age given he/she has gained the knowledge to know what Confirmation is and why they are doing it and freely participates with Confirmation.
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I should have qualified my statement to typically the age is 16 in the U.S.

I prefer this age, since it allows the most time for faith formation to receive the final initiation into the Church and Covenant.

On an aside note. One Scripture example of Confirmation is in Acts
8. The Samaria accepted the Word and received Baptism. They believed and we’re converted. But something was lacking. Now, we know that man does not accept the Word without the grace of God working in him. But there is more to receiving the Spirit than this. There is Confirmation in the Spirit, through Laying on of Hands. Does this mean that salvation and forgiveness and faith in Jesus was non existent before? No. But still, the Lord commissioned this additional Sacrament to strengthen and initiate the faithful.

Confirmation is probably the least understood and Scriptural explained Sacrament. I think the Bishops who administer this Sacrament at 16 yrs are being wise. It allows for greater willingness. And I think willingness goes a long way in the growth of the faithful.
 
rcwitness said:
I should have qualified my statement to typically the age is 16 in the U.S.

I prefer this age, since it allows the most time for faith formation to receive the final initiation into the Church and Covenant.

On an aside note. One Scripture example of Confirmation is in Acts
8. The Samaria accepted the Word and received Baptism. They believed and we’re converted. But something was lacking. Now, we know that man does not accept the Word without the grace of God working in him. But there is more to receiving the Spirit than this. There is Confirmation in the Spirit, through Laying on of Hands. Does this mean that salvation and forgiveness and faith in Jesus was non existent before? No. But still, the Lord commissioned this additional Sacrament to strengthen and initiate the faithful.

Confirmation is probably the least understood and Scriptural explained Sacrament. I think the Bishops who administer this Sacrament at 16 yrs are being wise. It allows for greater willingness. And I think willingness goes a long way in the growth of the faithful.
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I agree completely. It truly is the least understood. When I was in RCIA it took me a little bit to figure out what Confirmation really was. I had to take my time to process what was expected of me to be confirmed. After twisting it this way & that, inside out, upside down, I understood that being confirmed was an act of telling the world I believed the Catholic Church to be the Truth.

The high school age is a good age for confirmation. Old enough to know what it means to be confirmed but hopefully not so worldly they disregard the meaning.
 
Confirmation happens at various ages.

For example at 7 years old.

And Confirmation is given to* infants* as well in the Eastern Catholic Churches…
 
Peter_J said:
I think the question is, if I gave a different answer would you conclude that it was dishonest, simply for disagreeing with something posted here?
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I get your point, cuz technically I made it sound as though 16 yrs is across the board. So I was wrong, in that sense. I did want to correct that. But the tract I linked specifically addressed that too.

I’m guessing wannano’s use of “straight up and honest” was in the sense that I specifically answered his question and shared my honest opinion about the US majority practiced.

I see how some answers to non Catholics can have an agenda and presumption, rather than simply addressing a question. Now of course some questions are loaded, and that goes for both sides. But as I’ve learned from members I find wise, it’s best to treat questions as genuine.
 
Bookcat said:
Confirmation happens at** various **ages.

For example in the teens…or even at 7 years old.

And Confirmation is given to infants as well in the Eastern Catholic Churches…
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I know the Eastern Catholic Churches do practice Infant Confirmation (and even Communion, right?), but I don’t really understand the separate practice. They must have a different code of law. Anyway, they do amount to a small percentage of the Catholic Church. The Latin Rite is by far the majority. Still, it is not condemned by the West.
 
rcwitness said:
I know the Eastern Catholic Churches do practice Infant Confirmation (and even Communion, right?), but I don’t really understand the separate practice. They must have a different code of law.
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Yes to all.

They are following the ancient order of the Sacraments.

And a note to non-Catholic readers - they are part of the Catholic Church (the name for the Church is Catholic Church more properly not Roman Catholic Church…for the Roman Church (what I am) is only one of some 23 Churches within the one Catholic Church).

It really was only more recently that the order changed in the Roman.

If a young child (over the age of reason) is received into full communion with the Church (in the Roman) they too are confirmed and then receive the Eucharist.

And there is a movement among some to restore that ancient order in the Roman as well…where a young person (say around 7) would be Confirmed before first Communion. Which I what I would prefer. Several Bishops have already made this change.
 
rcwitness said:
I get your point, cuz technically I made it sound as though 16 yrs is across the board. So I was wrong, in that sense. I did want to correct that. But the tract I linked specifically addressed that too.
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Actually, you think you know what my point was, but my question wasn’t even about what you said but about what Wannano said.
 
Bookcat said:
Yes to all.

They are following the ancient order of the Sacraments.

And a note to non-Catholic readers - they are part of the Catholic Church (the name for the Church is Catholic Church more properly not Roman Catholic Church…for the Roman Church (what I am) is only one of some 23 Churches within the one Catholic Church).

It really was only more recently that the order changed in the Roman.

If a young child (over the age of reason) is received into full communion with the Church (in the Roman) they too are confirmed and then receive the Eucharist.

And there is a movement among some to restore that ancient order in the Roman as well…where a young person (say around 7) would be Confirmed before first Communion. Which I what I would prefer. Several Bishops have already made this change.
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Do you have an example, from antiquity, of Confirmation given to infants? And I’m not challenging your claim. I’m not contesting. But neither have I seen this in history.
 
rcwitness said:
Do you have an example, from antiquity, of Confirmation given to infants? And I’m not challenging your claim. I’m not contesting. But neither have I seen this in history.
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I was speaking there of today. Currently.

I imagine one can get all sorts of examples from ancient times - for the Catholic Church in the East did not move Confirmation to later time as did the Catholic Church in the west.

As it became more difficult as the Church increased in numbers for the Bishop to confirm -it was moved to later in the west so the Bishop could confirm them. In the east the Priest instead was given the facilities to confirm after baptism (as they are today in the west in cases of converts and when receiving persons into full communion with the Church).
 
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