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The Nazis believed Jews were not equal. Did that make the Holocaust moral?
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Agnes_Ainsworth
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My intention was certainly not to accuse estesbob of being a liar. I think he/she is being a little paranoid here. I wonder if pro-abortion counsellors would agree that most women are forced or coerced into abortion. You are right, I have not a clue as to what goes on in a CPC centre or in an abortion mill, except what I read about - I have no direct experience. What I do have however is a little knowledge as to what motivates some women to get an abortion. The 1967 Act legalising abortion in England coincided with us moving to a middle class town in the North of England where my husband started a job as a GP. For well over thirty years, my husband came home with stories of women coming to him requiring abortions for the most spurious of reasons, which he discussed with me, confidentially, because he found them so distressing. Sometimes he recognised coercion but by no means was it “mostly” as you claim - it is unlikely the British are so different to American women. Many later regret their decision but I have never spoken to a woman who claimed she was forced or coerced into her abortion.
My religious teaching in the Convent always stressed that the Church judges the sin and not the sinner, something completely ignored in our modern culture and unfortunately I believe that many Catholics, who ask the Lord’s forgiveness at Mass for what they have failed to do, seem to believe that failure to defend unborn life is the charitable attitude so as not to appear to judge those women who have abortions, in much the same way that homosexual practices are not condemned because of the fear of judging homosexuals themselves. In other words many people are inclined to be pro-choice but not pro-abortion.
Those active in the pro-life movement in whatever way, are not necessarily more judgemental of women who have had abortions, than than those loving pro-choice people who judge that it is better to have legal abortion available for all those “difficult” pregnancies. It is after all judgemental that taking unborn life in the womb is not murder when the Church has always taught that it is. It is the same God who will judge us all! These days a pregnancy is so often seen as an unwanted side effect to sexual pleasure rather than a gift of God.
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estesbob
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If you would check my religious description on my profile, you would see that I CAN make that argument. Your claim that it is an immutable fact that we have a soul is nonsense.
So since you have rejected God infanticide is ok?
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Filius99993
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That eliminates two malicious things: the Republican Party, and ABORTION (abortion’s worse, of course)
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liotino
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We are pro-choice in every decision we make because we have free wills and a God given right to make our own choices. Pro-choice the wording in itself is just another buzz word to argue over while the murder of innocent babies is taking place. We tend as people to argue titles instead of looking at any issue dead on and abortion is one of these issues.
If the choice of a Catholic or whomever is to stand for the killing of innocent babies the problem is why this is their choice. The justification falling on the side of a women having rights to kill the unborn is where the debate and energy should be spent. Then too the debate takes the focus off the killing. We often times get caught up in the debate and labels and babies are being kill.
As long as this world revolves and as long as we have any freedom of choice wrong choices will be made.
Therefore, what is the solution perhaps we should pray and in our little circle of those around us make an effort to embrace a struggling mother-to-be in her pregnancy.
We often try to tackle a problem from the big picture instead on a narrow more concise stance.
Therefore, to answer the question CATHOLICS CAN BE PRO-CHOICE? Who cares, will an innocent life be saved if this question is answered…no…we could be praying.
Deo gra’tias
If the choice of a Catholic or whomever is to stand for the killing of innocent babies the problem is why this is their choice. The justification falling on the side of a women having rights to kill the unborn is where the debate and energy should be spent. Then too the debate takes the focus off the killing. We often times get caught up in the debate and labels and babies are being kill.
As long as this world revolves and as long as we have any freedom of choice wrong choices will be made.
Therefore, what is the solution perhaps we should pray and in our little circle of those around us make an effort to embrace a struggling mother-to-be in her pregnancy.
We often try to tackle a problem from the big picture instead on a narrow more concise stance.
Therefore, to answer the question CATHOLICS CAN BE PRO-CHOICE? Who cares, will an innocent life be saved if this question is answered…no…we could be praying.
Deo gra’tias
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estesbob
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Faith without works is dead.
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bostonboy23
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abortion is a sin HOWEVER and this is the point i think he was trying to make who are we(human beings) to vilify a person who has an abortion or people who believe a woman should have a say in what happens to her body. i think the only two people who should worry about that choice is god and the person involved.
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BlazingBolt
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The answer to the thread title is a categorical NO!, a Catholic does not have the option. Yes there are many pro-choice Catholics, but they are in defiance and should not receive the Eucharist without repenting and receiving sacramental confession under pain of Mortal Sin which can lead to eternal damnation if you persist in this sin. That is a fact we need to hear in our homilies across the country.
We can not support laws that are intrinsically evil. By voting for candidates who support evil laws you become complicit in their sins. So while we are not required to work towards the end of categorical Federal prohibition specifically we can not support any law that allows this evil. In other words you don’t have to vote for someone who is pro-life, but you can’t vote for the guy who is pro-choice.
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BlazingBolt
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We don’t vilify a woman who has an abortion, the pro-life movement is very compassionate towards these women and understands all to well the damage done by abortion. The woman is also a victim.
Also it is nonsense to say it is her body as an argument to allow abortion. An unborn child is not a woman’s body and to say that is sheer idiocy. Does a woman carrying a son suddenly become part male?
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estesbob
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What about the child? Who watches out for them?
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Valke2
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Every candidate elected supports laws that allow “evil” as you define it. Every president swears to uphold the laws of the country and those laws include a woman’s right to have an abortion.
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estesbob
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So there is a moral eqauivalence between a canidate who opposes abortion and one who supports it because after all its the law of the land? What utter utter nonesnese.
To call abortion evil understates it-it is abject evil-the greatest evil in the world today, Nothing, I mean nothing compares to the wanton slaughter of the innocents and you btlithely dismiss all this carnage as OK becuase its the law? Shame on you.
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bostonboy23
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until the child comes out of the woman it is part of the mother. it depends on the mother for life if you took a child out of the womb before it was developed it would die. so yes while the child is a life it cannot survive outside of the womb thats why many people say it is not a person. and you can’t really say because god says thou shall not kill its wrong we kill things all the time from bugs that get into our house to rodents who infest it.
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bostonboy23
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this is a good point. and i think this is where the logic fails we say pro CHOICE not pro abortion i don’t think anyone is for murdering the point is we believe a woman should have that choice if she wants it. and no i don’t believe a woman should kill the baby if she doesn’t want it that is not a good enough reason to do it. abortion should only be used in cases of rape or when the life of the mother or child or both is in danger. if you would give birth to a baby then it would die 24 hours later what would be the point? that would only sadden the parents.
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estesbob
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It is sad that our school system does such a poor job in educating our youth in basic biology. it is even sadder when someone says its ok to kill children becuase, after all, we kill bugs all the time
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estesbob
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Why should anyone have the choice to take someone elses life?
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bostonboy23
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the point i was trying to make was killing is a subjective word. people have no problems killing lower forms or life or in war but somehow its different if a mother wants to end her pregnancy because she was either raped or her or her child would die. as for me knowing nothing about biology next time your wife or someone you know is pregnant try taking the baby out of the womb before its 4 or 5 months old and see what happends.
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tgeorgeingham
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See how sucessful satan is by convincing us that pro-abortion and pro-choice are the same thing? One of the greatest gifts God gave man was CHOICE. He will never take that away from us. That is our ability to choose good or evil. Pro-abortion is a whole other issue. Choosing death for an unborn child is murder. Does anything else need to be said? No! To be Catholic, you can not be pro-abortion, but you automatically are pro-choice by a gift from God.
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bostonboy23
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so if your mom, daughter, sister, wife was rapped you would want her to have a constant reminder of what happened to her? and you would also watch her die because of birth complections? god is loving i don’t think he would send the mother to hell for that. or us for believe she should have that right.
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bostonboy23
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i never said it was the same i was saying the exact opposite. pro choice is believing that no one can make a choice for someone else except for god. no one who is pro choice thinks abortion is good in fact if i was a woman i would rather die before killing my baby but i won’t force that opinion on someone else.
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