Catholics Can Be Pro-Choice?

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liotino said:
It is this statement that always changes the tide of the issue moving us off the focus of the killing of the innocent voiceless. We do not speak of them. Who is protecting their rights? They have God given rights. A loving God hates murder. Abortion is murder. Suffering is a part of life. Take up your cross and follow me thus said the Lord. The cross speaks of suffering. We have the duty and right to protect the innocent voiceless to say otherwise endangers the soul.
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god suffered for us. god does no expect us to suffer for him.
 
bostonboy23 said:
god suffered for us. god does no expect us to suffer for him.
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Really !!!We are to suffer for the injustices, follow the road to calvary as did our beloved Jesus for us. You have an issue with suffering. Child of God you are in this world where suffering is. Side tracking the abortion debate ran out of steam moving on to something else not with me.
 
liotino said:
Sweet Child you are moving off the subject at hand. I will not be pulled off the debate. I need not defend myself.
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Gee and I jjust offered you Bud Light. my response was to bostonboy-not you.
 
bostonboy23 said:
someone eariler hit the nail right on the head. do we really have the right to force our beflics on others? we can believe abortion is wrong (which I do) but our we so blind to think that a loving god would really punish a mom who wanted not to suffer? in the case of rape or the health of the child or mother.
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bostonboy23 said:
before the second trimester a baby cannot survive without the mom in that sense it is part of the mother. which is why doctors only abort babies before 5 months after that they don’t. life is not as black and white as we sometimes want for example let’s say your child was suffering from a horrible diease and would die a painful death you wouldn’t want to end the pain? and you think god would punish you for it?
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Are you content to spout the same canned lines over and over without consideration for the answers that were given you? You have already presented these false rationalizations and they have been already been rebutted. Please go back and read the responses that have been given you before posting the same thing over again. That there can then be intelligent discussion.
 
bostonboy23 said:
until the child comes out of the woman it is part of the mother. it depends on the mother for life if you took a child out of the womb before it was developed it would die. so yes while the child is a life it cannot survive outside of the womb thats why many people say it is not a person. and you can’t really say because god says thou shall not kill its wrong we kill things all the time from bugs that get into our house to rodents who infest it.
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I am horrified that you would compare a pregnancy to an infestation or rodents. You are completely illogical in your desire to excuse abortion. Just because a child is not yet born you say it is part of the mother. If the other biological human being is inside the mother they are then part of the mother which means she has the right to kill it, how can you honestly accept such an argument? That is a meaningless assertion, does a Siamese twin have a right to murder his twin? If we pull a kangaroo out of it’s mothers pouch and kill it did we kill a kangaroo? Of course the viability argument is complete nonsense that if subscribed to could justify all kind of horrors, if a human life can not survive on it’s own it is not a person. How does that have anything to do with being a person?

This nonsense of making excuses that it is not a person and rationalizing why it may or may not be through arbitrary irrelevant definitions is a faith based claim. The issues is that absolutely and dogmatically it is scientifically and biologically fully and completely a human life. It is simply a human life at an early stage of development. The only moral idea here is that intentionally ending a human life is wrong. Since it can not be denied the pro-abortion position, in attempt to justify their position, falls back on undefinable philosophical concepts of person which is basically asserting: we don’t think it has a soul so we are just going to assume it doesn’t and allow it to be killed. I guess they don’t care if they are wrong about when a human life becomes a person and are more than willing to tolerate any persons getting killed as part of their policies as a necessary and acceptable sacrifice for them to have the convenience of their abortion.
bostonboy23 said:
this is a good point. and i think this is where the logic fails we say pro CHOICE not pro abortion i don’t think anyone is for murdering the point is we believe a woman should have that choice if she wants it. and no i don’t believe a woman should kill the baby if she doesn’t want it that is not a good enough reason to do it. abortion should only be used in cases of rape or when the life of the mother or child or both is in danger. if you would give birth to a baby then it would die 24 hours later what would be the point? that would only sadden the parents.
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Nobody is for murdering but you are for people having the choice???

If you agree that abortion is wrong in that intentionally ending a human life is wrong and should be illegal than you have provided no logical reason to accept it in cases of rape or danger to the mother. Rape is a terrible crime, but accepting abortion because of it also means that you are telling a person who began their life from a crime like this that their life is worth less than others. Aborting a child resulting from rape will only add to the trauma of the rape victim. Justifying it because the mothers life is in danger is like saying it is OK for a mother to throw her child to a vicious Lion so that she can escape the danger herself. It is not OK to sacrifice a life you deem less worthy to save one you value more, the only morally acceptable course of action is to try to save both lives. Have you ever watched a horror movie where one person advocates leaving the weak behind so the strong have a better chance to survive? It seems to me to be common sense that this is a despicable idea, but I guess a lot of people lack common sense. And what is up with being pro-choice and supporting abortion on demand because you believe in abortion in specific cases, I don’t understand that. Isn’t that backwards? Shouldn’t you be professing to be pro-life except for in rare cases allowing a choice?

You really should try to examine if the issues that prevent you from accepting the truth on this issue as revealed by the Holy Spirit to the Church are honorable and virtuous issues or if they are of some other sort.

Do you think it should be mandatory to provide the unborn with anesthesia so that they do not suffer when they are killed?
 
BlazingBolt said:
I am horrified that you would compare a pregnancy to an infestation or rodents. You are completely illogical in your desire to excuse abortion. Just because a child is not yet born you say it is part of the mother. If the other biological human being is inside the mother they are then part of the mother which means she has the right to kill it, how can you honestly accept such an argument? That is a meaningless assertion, does a Siamese twin have a right to murder his twin? If we pull a kangaroo out of it’s mothers pouch and kill it did we kill a kangaroo? Of course the viability argument is complete nonsense that if subscribed to could justify all kind of horrors, if a human life can not survive on it’s own it is not a person. How does that have anything to do with being a person?

This nonsense of making excuses that it is not a person and rationalizing why it may or may not be through arbitrary irrelevant definitions is a faith based claim. The issues is that absolutely and dogmatically it is scientifically and biologically fully and completely a human life. It is simply a human life at an early stage of development. The only moral idea here is that intentionally ending a human life is wrong. Since it can not be denied the pro-abortion position, in attempt to justify their position, falls back on undefinable philosophical concepts of person which is basically asserting: we don’t think it has a soul so we are just going to assume it doesn’t and allow it to be killed. I guess they don’t care if they are wrong about when a human life becomes a person and accept any persons getting killed as part of their policies they are willing to sacrafice for them to have their abortion.

Nobody is for murdering but you are for people having the choice???

If you agree that abortion is wrong in that intentionally ending a human life is wrong and should be illegal than you have provided no logical reason to accept it in cases of rape or danger to the mother. Rape is a terrible crime, but accepting abortion because of it also means that you are telling a person who began their life from a crime like this that their life is worth less than others. Aborting a child resulting from rape will only add to the trauma of the rape victim. Justifying it because the mothers life is in danger is like saying it is OK for a mother to throw her child to a vicious Lion so that she can escape the danger herself. It is not OK to sacrifice a life you deem less worthy to save one you value more, the only morally acceptable course of action is to try to save both lives. Have you ever watched a horror movie where one person advocates leaving the weak behind so the strong have a better chance to survive? It seems to me to be common sense that this is a despicable idea, but I guess a lot of people lack common sense. And what is up with being pro-choice and supporting abortion on demand because you believe in abortion in specific cases, I don’t understand that. Isn’t that backwards? Shouldn’t you be professing to be pro-life except for in rare cases allowing a choice?

You really should try to examine if the issues that prevent you from accepting the truth on this issue as revealed by the Holy Spirit to the Church are honorable and virtuous issues or if they are of some other sort.

Do you think it should be mandatory to provide the unborn with anesthesia so that they do not suffer when they are killed?
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Hoping I am right on the gender: wow! wow! MY BROTHER wow! Bravo! well said. Ah! the old one two punch. Sometime arrogance needs cold splashed on the heart and soul. I love you too. The creator smiles on His child you. Blessings to you beloved of Jesus and empwered by the Holy Spirit.
 
BlazingBolt said:
I am horrified that you would compare a pregnancy to an infestation or rodents. You are completely illogical in your desire to excuse abortion. Just because a child is not yet born you say it is part of the mother. If the other biological human being is inside the mother they are then part of the mother which means she has the right to kill it, how can you honestly accept such an argument? That is a meaningless assertion, does a Siamese twin have a right to murder his twin? If we pull a kangaroo out of it’s mothers pouch and kill it did we kill a kangaroo? Of course the viability argument is complete nonsense that if subscribed to could justify all kind of horrors, if a human life can not survive on it’s own it is not a person. How does that have anything to do with being a person?

This nonsense of making excuses that it is not a person and rationalizing why it may or may not be through arbitrary irrelevant definitions is a faith based claim. The issues is that absolutely and dogmatically it is scientifically and biologically fully and completely a human life. It is simply a human life at an early stage of development. The only moral idea here is that intentionally ending a human life is wrong. Since it can not be denied the pro-abortion position, in attempt to justify their position, falls back on undefinable philosophical concepts of person which is basically asserting: we don’t think it has a soul so we are just going to assume it doesn’t and allow it to be killed. I guess they don’t care if they are wrong about when a human life becomes a person and are more than willing to tolerate any persons getting killed as part of their policies as a necessary and acceptable sacrifice for them to have the convenience of their abortion.

Nobody is for murdering but you are for people having the choice???

If you agree that abortion is wrong in that intentionally ending a human life is wrong and should be illegal than you have provided no logical reason to accept it in cases of rape or danger to the mother. Rape is a terrible crime, but accepting abortion because of it also means that you are telling a person who began their life from a crime like this that their life is worth less than others. Aborting a child resulting from rape will only add to the trauma of the rape victim. Justifying it because the mothers life is in danger is like saying it is OK for a mother to throw her child to a vicious Lion so that she can escape the danger herself. It is not OK to sacrifice a life you deem less worthy to save one you value more, the only morally acceptable course of action is to try to save both lives. Have you ever watched a horror movie where one person advocates leaving the weak behind so the strong have a better chance to survive? It seems to me to be common sense that this is a despicable idea, but I guess a lot of people lack common sense. And what is up with being pro-choice and supporting abortion on demand because you believe in abortion in specific cases, I don’t understand that. Isn’t that backwards? Shouldn’t you be professing to be pro-life except for in rare cases allowing a choice?

You really should try to examine if the issues that prevent you from accepting the truth on this issue as revealed by the Holy Spirit to the Church are honorable and virtuous issues or if they are of some other sort.

Do you think it should be mandatory to provide the unborn with anesthesia so that they do not suffer when they are killed?
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You’ve got a good point. I am so frustrated at so many pro-Choice advocates. It’s like saying “Well, killing people is wrong, but you have the CHOICE to kill or not to”.
 
Filius99993 said:
You’ve got a good point. I am so frustrated at so many pro-Choice advocates. It’s like saying “Well, killing people is wrong, but you have the CHOICE to kill or not to”.
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What they are saying I am not in favor of kiling my child but am in favor of other people being allowed to kill their child. The modern pro-abortion movement is racist to the core. It is geared towards killing as many black, yellow and brown people as possible.
 
estesbob said:
What they are saying I am not in favor of kiling my child but am in favor of other people being allowed to kill their child. The modern pro-abortion movement is racist to the core. It is geared towards killing as many black, yellow and brown people as possible.
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I know. It’s the same with contraceptives. But if you tell someone who is of a white complexity who is blindly supportive, they won’t believe you. It’s really terrible.
 
mapleoak said:
Are you content to spout the same canned lines over and over without consideration for the answers that were given you? You have already presented these false rationalizations and they have been already been rebutted. Please go back and read the responses that have been given you before posting the same thing over again. That there can then be intelligent discussion.
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BRAVO!!!Christian Person! Well said and you are loved. Precious child defender of truth you are well pleasing to the heart of Papa, beloved of His Son and powered by the Holy Spirit. Wow!
 
Filius99993 said:
I know. It’s the same with contraceptives. But if you tell someone who is of a white complexity who is blindly supportive, they won’t believe you. It’s really terrible.
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One can call Planned Parenthood , give them a contribution and designate it is to be used only to pay for abortions for black women!
 
estesbob said:
One can call Planned Parenthood , give them a contribution and designate it is to be used only to pay for abortions for black women!
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I know! It needs to be stopped. If I were old enough to vote, I wouldn’t, though, because I dislike the only Pro-Life candidate’s policy. He’s not actually all that Pro-Life, and he’s not going to do anything about it. And I cannot do anything about it. We need a better Supreme Court!
 
liotino said:
It is this statement that always changes the tide of the issue moving us off the focus of the killing of the innocent voiceless. We do not speak of them. Who is protecting their rights? They have God given rights. A loving God hates murder. Abortion is murder. Suffering is a part of life. Take up your cross and follow me thus said the Lord. The cross speaks of suffering. We have the duty and right to protect the innocent voiceless to say otherwise endangers the soul.
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I am dense so forgive me. It took me a while 'cause I am a bit slow. Now I understand what you are saying.
When the issue of abortion is being discussed, the pro-abortion tactic is to always shift focus away from the humanity of the person being killed and instead redirect the conversation using some ridiculous jargon like “it’s the mother’s body”, “what about rape”, “what if the mother’s life is in danger”, “it’s only tissue”, “signs are too graphic”, “don’t try to impose your views on others”, “it will not be taken care of anyway”, etc., etc., etc.,… :banghead:
 
mapleoak said:
I am dense so forgive me. It took me a while 'cause I am a bit slow. Now I understand what you are saying.
When the issue of abortion is being discussed, the pro-abortion tactic is to always shift focus away from the humanity of the person being killed and instead redirect the conversation using some ridiculous jargon like “it’s the mother’s body”, “what about rape”, “what if the mother’s life is in danger”, “it’s only tissue”, “signs are too graphic”, “don’t try to impose your views on others”, “it will not be taken care of anyway”, etc., etc., etc.,… :banghead:
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You got blessed child of God. Good for you. One should never be allowed to get away with a smoke screen tactic that is why injustice prevails because it is allowed. It is the prevailing movement of one away from center core of any issue. Bless you.
 
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