Catholics Converting to Non Denominational

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I’ve attended some of these non denom services but didn’t see the appeal, I prefer the beauty of the Mass.
However, I agree that the RCC is losing many people to trendy new churches with concert-like services, free Starbuck’s, and Sunday schools with more fun & games than your local Chuck E Cheese arcade!
This has been a trend in our society, and it is going to continue to hurt the RCC. Maybe it’s past time that Catholics make some changes?

While I agree that Jesus promised that the “gates of Hell shall not prevail against it”, he made no guarantees about the form of the victorious Church. It’s possible that the RCC will need to go through many trials and tribulations before it can emerge victorious.
Remember, it was once a small group of people meeting in secret, a long time before the Holy Roman Empire, the Vatican, etc. (and it can be again)…
 
Hope1960 said:
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ok, is it too quiet? No music? too much music? in English, spanish, latin, is it kids making noise,

why doesn’t it hold your attention.
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It’s not lively, (I often get bored), very routine and the noisy kids really interfere with my ability to worship, too. Then there are the noisy older folks who arrive early, as I often do in order to pray my rosary. They talk so loud…and the cantor along with the piano/organist practicing before Mass. I can’t concentrate.
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Odd.

You are complaining that you get bored because it is “not lively,” but then complain that the “lively” kids and older folks along with the “lively” cantor/musicians, interfere with your ability to concentrate, presumably because you want the service to be quiet and reverent.

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Odd. I obviously meant a LIVELY worship service, NOT lively people interrupting the service and prayer time.
 
I doubt it would ever get to the point where we’d have just a handful of people worshipping in secret. At least not in the USA.
 
Hope1960 said:
Odd. I obviously meant a LIVELY worship service, NOT lively people interrupting the service and prayer time.
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Yes, but if the service were “lively” you wouldn’t even notice the “lively” old people and kids; but then you wouldn’t have the opportunity for reverence and quiet because the entire service would be even more “lively” than the kids and old people currently are.

So are you looking for “lively” or reverence of the sacred?

Again, “lively” can be found in many places – a music concert, a comedic performance, an amusement park, to name a few.

There are 168 hours in a week – 167 of those can be devoted to “lively.”

I guess you need to sort your priorities.
 
Wow. This isn’t rocket science. If I’m in a Catholic Mass I want to be able to HEAR the priest’s homily (though so far I’ve rarely heard one that relates to my life), words of Consecration etc., just like I want to be able to hear a Protestant pastor when he’s preaching.
If I’m in a Catholic Church, praying, outside of actual Mass time I don’t want distractions. Do you get it now or do you need me to try making it clearer for you?
 
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Hope1960 said:
Wow. This isn’t rocket science. If I’m in a Catholic Mass I want to be able to HEAR the priest’s homily (though so far I’ve rarely heard one that relates to my life), words of Consecration etc., just like I want to be able to hear a Protestant pastor when he’s preaching.
If I’m in a Catholic Church, praying, outside of actual Mass time I don’t want distractions. Do you get it now or do you need me to try making it clearer for you?
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Coming in loud and clear.

What you want was explicitly spelled out eight times.

No need to make it any clearer.
 
I was raised in a church that would be considered “non-denominational” by most standards, but earlier this year I was confirmed into the Catholic church. When you speak of the Catholic church losing members, you might want to factor in its gaining members through conversion.

I’ve no wish to be insulting, but in my youth I knew many folks who left the Catholic church for a “non-demoninational” experience. Almost without fail, they’d had no catechesis worth mentioning, and were only considered “Catholic” in the first place because their parents had technically passed as such. If the new church seemed like a “CD” as compared to an eight-track tape, it was more an indictment of their parents’ and parishes’ gross negligence and failure to qualify as anything remotely Christian or Catholic.

So to answer your closing question: chaff will go the way of chaff, whether it calls itself Catholic, “non-denominational,” or whatever else. But the answer isn’t to despair of Christ’s church, or to imagine that it somehow went missing from the first century to the sixteenth…
 
Le_Cracquere said:
When you speak of the Catholic church losing members, you might want to factor in its gaining members through conversion.
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Does anyone have any stats on this? I thought we were losing members faster than gaining converts. Anyone?
 
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All priests should say that we shouldn’t and don’t pray to Mary.
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I thought that the Memorare was a prayer to Mary:
REMEMBER, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help, or sought thy intercession was left unaided. Inspired with this confidence, I fly to thee, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother; to thee do I come; before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me. Amen.

You say that this is not a prayer to Mary??
And what about the Hail Holy Queen:
Hail Holy Queen, Mother of mercy, Our life, our sweetness, and our hope. To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy towards us. And after this, our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus.O clement O loving O sweet Virgin Mary.
I thought that with the Hail Holy Queen we are asking Mary to turn her eyes of mercy toward us? You say no??
 
Hope1960 said:
If people really are rapidly leaving the CC as much of what I read indicates, what’s going to happen to the Catholic Church? Will it’s members age, pass away and make the Church obsolete?
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Back to my original question, any more (name removed by moderator)ut?
 
We don’t pray to Mary in the sense that people understand prayer in reference to God.
 
Gingersnaps4 said:
All priests should say that we shouldn’t and don’t pray to Mary.
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Another prayer to Mary:
O ever immaculate Virgin, Mother of mercy, health of the sick, refuge of sinners, comfort of the afflicted, you know my wants, my troubles, my sufferings; deign to cast upon me a look of mercy. By appearing in the Grotto of Lourdes, you were pleased to make it a privileged sanctuary, whence you dispense your favors, and already many sufferers have obtained the cure of their infirmities, both spiritual and corporal. I come, therefore, with the most unbounded confidence, to implore your maternal intercession. Obtain, O loving Mother, the grant of my requests. I will endeavor to imitate your virtues, that I may one day share your glory, and bless you in eternity. Amen.
And another
O all-blessed, immaculate Virgin, ornament and glory of Mount Carmel, thou who dost look with most gracious countenance on those who have been clothed with thy venerable livery, look kindly also on me and take me under the mantle of thy maternal protection. Strengthen my weakness with thy might; enlighten the darkness of my heart with thy wisdom; increase in me faith, hope and charity. So adorn my souls with graces and virtues that it may always be dear to thy divine Son and thee. Assist me during life, comfort me in death with thy most sweet presence, and present me as thy child and faithful servant to the most Holy Trinity, that I may be enabled to praise and extol thee in heaven forever. Amen.
and many more.
 
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We don’t pray to Mary in the sense that people understand prayer in reference to God.
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No one said that Mary is God. What I say is that Mary is the Mother of God and as such, we can pray directly to Mary. And I think that the above prayers, including the Memorare, show that Catholics pray to Mary.
 
ok, i am not getting the link here between you personally wanting to convert to a non catholic religion and the catholic church losing members, they are two separate topics.

could you help us by linking them. And why is you leaving going to impact the obsoleteness of the Church. It means its obsolete to you alone. If you leave it.

But have you seen the expansion of the Catholic religion in non western countries?
 
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It could be that’s she’s worried that the Catholic Church will lose members and how leaving will impact it.
 
Do you mean usher, lector etc? Nah, I’d rather participate than busy myself volunteering during Mass.
 
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