Catholics for Choice

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I stumbled across this organisation and could not believe what I read. Surely practicing Catholics cannot have the view points promoted by this group. I can only imagine that they are lapsed Catholics and so not attend mass. They clearly do not understand what it means to be a Catholic and why we have to listen to the magesterium.

Does anyone know any of them inh person and if so do they actually attend mass?

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I personally have never run into a member of this group, nor have I yet encountered a pro abortion catholic at my parish.

I am sure with a group such as this, they may have found a way to have mass with people who are like minded. shrugs They do claim to be “devout” catholics after all…
 
ConfusedTim said:
I can only imagine that they are lapsed Catholics and so not attend mass.
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Sadly, no. If you need evidence just go out into the parking lot shortly before/after Mass one day and see how many cars you can find with Obama bumper stickers.
 
These people masqurade as Catholics. Thier false teachings harm the Catholic culture.
 
exoflare said:
Sadly, no. If you need evidence just go out into the parking lot shortly before/after Mass one day and see how many cars you can find with Obama bumper stickers.
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Yeah, I agree with this one. It’s a shame. You see so many of them.

Yes, they are around…they are called cafeteria catholics. They like the name Catholic, they believe some things catholics believe, they might even go to Mass, but they won’t sacrifice the name Catholic. They think they should be allowed to believe something that is against teaching and still hold the name. In fact, they insist on leading others astray because of it…

It doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t receiving the sacraments, either.
 
With over 20k Christian churches it not longer surprises me that small groups within the Catholic Church are now posturing “as if” they are protestants and claiming the authority to declare what they will or will not believe as to the teachings of Jesus Christ, but at the same time - and for what I believe is the access to the media - maintaining and loudly proclaiming their Catholic roots.
The media desperately needs Catholics to act like protestants and declare their unbelief and nonsupport of The Holy Father and The Holy Catholic Church so that the media can bolster the culture of death on behalf of the current administration - who awards those who embrace the culture of death.
Case in point: Kathleen Sebbelius, former govenour of Kansas embraced and received campaign funds from Dr. George Tiller, the late term abortion doctor who was assissinated in Wichita. And she vetoed bills from the Kansas Senate that would have stopped later term abortions in Kansas. The Bishop of her Diocese had to request twice that she refrain from participating in communion. Today she is head of Health and Human Resources for the current administration.
As in the day of Pharoh, “their hearts have been hardened” against the truth. Their minds clouded against the truth of their actions.
Do not think for one minute that the change to our Nation in such a very short period time, i.e. economic turmoil bordering on collapse and the rapid advancement toward socialism is not without the hand of God. How long do you think He would allow this nation to continue to slaughter the children and go unpunished? Socialism is the abscence of God and the placement of the STATE as the highest authority. If we have chosen to ignore God and kill our children, then perhaps God is going to give us what we want, i.e. to be ruled by a SUPREME COURT instead of a supreme Being.
 
While it is completely appropriate for the heirarchy to use strong language to edify folks who think they can be Catholics in good standing while supporting a “woman’s right”, I find it a bit harsh when we criticize others who may not have a complete understanding of Catholic Morality.

Bear in mind we all need conversion. Some more than others. All I know, is I have enough to worry about right here. As for my pro-choice brothers and sisters…they have my prayers and when the opportunity arrises, I will (with the help of the Holy Spirit) gladly enlighten them.
 
I think different Catholics have different motivations for being “pro-choice.” Some have been fooled into a belief in false mercy - where they believe they are being compassionate. Others are afraid of backlash from society if they aren’t pro-choice - they will be accused of hating women, wanting all women raped and having back alley abortions. Some want to be thought of as modern and progressive, they can’t understand the timelessness of God and his promise for his Church, they think we need to mend our ways to the world.
We will never convince them of the God’s love for life at every stage, but the Holy Spirit sure can.
I don’t really know how far someone can get in their relationship with God when they cannot grasp the importance of defending the unborn, of standing between the evil and the innocent. It seems so elementary to the idea of us all being made in the image of God…to love God is to see him in every life. It really does make me sad that people are taking the beauty of God’s Church and creating a counterfeit theology to fit their own needs.
 
Catholics for Choice is not a group of Catholics that are pro-choice. Catholics for Choice is funded by George Soros and the Ford Foundation in order to weaken the Church in the United States. The end goal is to weaken the Catholic Church’s influenence on politicals issues.
 
ConfusedTim said:
I stumbled across this organisation and could not believe what I read. Surely practicing Catholics cannot have the view points promoted by this group. I can only imagine that they are lapsed Catholics and so not attend mass. They clearly do not understand what it means to be a Catholic and why we have to listen to the magesterium.

Does anyone know any of them inh person and if so do they actually attend mass?

catholicsforchoice.org/about/board/default.asp
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Not this particular group, but I have run into dissident Catholics at my parish. One guy tried to get a meeting together to form a group in my parish for some dissident group, he wasn’t even a member of the parish, but it was a no-go and I haven’t heard anything about it since. I can’t even remember the name of the group.

However, most of those who dissent don’t belong to groups. They only make their views known privately to friends or relatives, or to no one, and continue to attend Mass and receive the Eucharist. The Pastor and priests and Deacons are largely unaware of their views. Many are very undereducated when it comes to certain things and don’t understand the reason behind certain teachings of the Church, or consider these things “man-made” rules and not binding. They either don’t accept Magisterial authority, don’t fully understand it, or disagree with it’s teachings and consider some things a matter of conscience. (The subject of birth control is a prime example here.) How culpable they are is a matter only God really knows, we can’t lump everyone together.

I consider a lot of this a failure of leadership in the Church, that is my personal opinion. And it’s not just the clergy I’m talking about, either. We need strong lay leaders. We are all responsible for spreading the Gospel and speaking the truth.
 
exoflare said:
Sadly, no. If you need evidence just go out into the parking lot shortly before/after Mass one day and see how many cars you can find with Obama bumper stickers.
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This is so true! We even had parishioners - faithful Mass attendees - with Obama signs in their yards.
 
exoflare said:
Sadly, no. If you need evidence just go out into the parking lot shortly before/after Mass one day and see how many cars you can find with Obama bumper stickers.
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OUCH! that hurts. Ito sometimes see bumper stickers on cars in the Church parking lot that make me go :confused:.
 
I don’t know anyone associated with this group, but have met my fair share of “pro-choice Catholics”. So many people will say “Well, I’m against abortion except in the case of rape or incest”. To many people, this seems like the most compassionate response. To them, the life of the child is an abstract, not something to be considered when dealing with something so traumatic. Or those that feel that the “quality of life” outweighs the decision to allow that life to continue. They think that it is better for the baby to die in utero, than to be allowed to suffer for any amount of time after birth. I’d bet they’ve never seen what an abortion entails. It is torture, pure and simple.

I was blessed this past couple of weeks to hear both a homily by our PV and a reflection by our seminarian dealing with abortion, pointing out from the moment of conception–there is a human life at stake…one that needs to be protected…and that we ALL have a duty to stand up for life.
 
The abortion part of their beliefs is bad enough, but this group are actively campaingning on a wide range of issues against the church. If they took “Catholic” out of their name i would assume they were just another athaeist group.
 
ConfusedTim said:
The abortion part of their beliefs is bad enough, but this group are actively campaingning on a wide range of issues against the church. If they took “Catholic” out of their name i would assume they were just another athaeist group.
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Yes, they are a tool of the devil in order to deceive other catholics true to their faith. It is a snake of an organization as a whole. They just want to create confusion within the church. They believe that since they found certain things were fine to them, everyone else in the Church who does not believe is old-fashioned and try to discredit them for not being “open-minded”. This, of course is a tactic of the evil one.
 
OP: Thanks for bringing this up!

I ran across this organization a few months ago, was shocked, and sent the executive director a note. He responded blandly.

Essentially Catholics for Choice is a tool.

As some above have noted, it serves the purpose of other groups by pasting a Catholic label on some views.

Highly deceptive and deceiving organization!
 
kristie_m said:
I don’t know anyone associated with this group, but have met my fair share of “pro-choice Catholics”. So many people will say “Well, I’m against abortion except in the case of rape or incest”. To many people, this seems like the most compassionate response. To them, the life of the child is an abstract, not something to be considered when dealing with something so traumatic. Or those that feel that the “quality of life” outweighs the decision to allow that life to continue. They think that it is better for the baby to die in utero, than to be allowed to suffer for any amount of time after birth. I’d bet they’ve never seen what an abortion entails. It is torture, pure and simple.

I was blessed this past couple of weeks to hear both a homily by our PV and a reflection by our seminarian dealing with abortion, pointing out from the moment of conception–there is a human life at stake…one that needs to be protected…and that we ALL have a duty to stand up for life.
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It’s ironic that so many people said that waterboarding was torture, but abortion is a “right” and should be paid for with taxpayer funds, which is in the so-called healthcare bill. I hope all the people that voted for the present administration are happy that their vote enabled more babies to pay with their lives just for the sake of convenience. Mean while they stand on their soapbox and claim that they believe that every life is precious. They may fool a lot of people, but they don’t fool God.
 
cargau said:
While it is completely appropriate for the heirarchy to use strong language to edify folks who think they can be Catholics in good standing while supporting a “woman’s right”, I find it a bit harsh when we criticize others who may not have a complete understanding of Catholic Morality.

Bear in mind we all need conversion. Some more than others. All I know, is I have enough to worry about right here.
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Not enough, apparently, to forego placing a comment, eh?

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