Catholics for Choice

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No.
Never.
No condoms.
No artificial contraception.
No abortion.
No.
 
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Wow, I didn’t know that you could be a Catholic and be pro-choice.

Is that an oxy-moron? Or can you still be catholic and be pro-choice?
In a word… “No.” Unless some how they are uninformed as to abortion being a sin. However, I would find that very unlikely. It would be as crazy as saying “Catholics for Rape”, “Catholics for Murder”, “Catholics for Adultry”. Sorry… it just doesn’t fly.
 
Yes you can be. In church, the Pro-Choice Catholics sit with the Catholics who use birth control.
There are many.
That depends on how you define excommunication? As I was taught, it is a type of exile. So, if a person is sitting in the pews at Mass, they can BELIEVE that they are Catholic and perhaps they are in a sense, but they are in fact a Catholic in excile spiritually.
Just a reminder, it NOT only the one who has an abortion that incurs automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication, but also those who took part in attaining that abortion. Doctors, nurses, a husband who assisted or encouraged, the one who drove that woman to the clinic, etc. etc.
 
Didn’t Bishop Bruskewitz (Lincoln, Nebraska) excommunicate members of this group in his diocese a few years ago?

I notice on their web site that were claiming they were filing federal lawsuits against the very sponsors of this forum, Catholic Answers! Claiming the voter’s guide violated federal exlection laws.

The fact that the suit is baseless will not change the fact the Catholic Answers will have to spend money (legal fees) defending itself.

They need to look at Catechism article 2279. Of course, they probably do not believe it anyway. They seem to think that Genesis 1:24 says “Let *Man make us *in his own image.”

Such a wonderful group of people who celebrate diversity of opinion and expression. They are a perfect example of “tolerance”.
 
Pro-abortion, procurring in an abortion or condoning the use of abortion is I believe, automatic excommunication.
 
Pro-abortion, procurring in an abortion or condoning the use of abortion is I believe, automatic excommunication.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

**2272 **Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"76 "by the very commission of the offense,"77 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.78 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.
**2273 **The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:
"The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being’s right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."79
"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child’s rights."80

[ 76 CIC, can. 1398.
77 CIC, can. 1314.
78 Cf. CIC, cann. 1323-1324.
79 CDF, Donum vitae III.
80 CDF, Donum vitae III.](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/)

The type of excommunication referred to here does not require positive action of a bishop. While normally only bishops can lift excommunications, I believe most bishops permit their priests to do this when a person is truly repentant. Can someone help clear that up for me please?

It seems to me that this is fairly clear. I am unaware (that does not mean it does not exist, however) of any other sin in which the lay person can commit that results is automatic excommunication.

It is important that in paragraph 2272 that the second part not be separated from the first. The Church is trying to be merciful. In their mercy, they are trying to convey the gravity of the offense of abortion.

Paragraph 2273 is often not quoted in the Abortion debates. I believe it is important to include here because it further reinforces the Church’s stance on the sacredness of life.
 
We may be working this question backwards.

First let me be perfectly clear, pro-choice is by its very nature anti-Christ and anti-Catholic.

But let us move on, the correct question is not:

Can a Catholic be pro-choice?

The question is: What is a Catholic?

A Catholic is someone who is in Union with Rome, or more precisely in Union with the Holy Father.

Therefore if you disagree with the teachings of the Holy Father you are in schism and are not a Catholic.

If you don’t believe that the consecrated host is in fact the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus then you are not Catholic.

If you don’t believe that the Pope is infallible when he speaks from the Chair of Peter then you are not a Catholic.

If you don’t believe that Mary ever virgin was assumed body and soul into heaven then you are not a Catholic.

If you believe it is all right to practice contraception you are not a Catholic. (This is different from being a Catholic and in a moment of weakness committing the sin of contraception.)

If you believe women have a right to murder their babies then you are not a Catholic.

Marsha
 
We may be working this question backwards.

First let me be perfectly clear, pro-choice is by its very nature anti-Christ and anti-Catholic.

But let us move on, the correct question is not:

Can a Catholic be pro-choice?

The question is: What is a Catholic?

A Catholic is someone who is in Union with Rome, or more precisely in Union with the Holy Father.

Therefore if you disagree with the teachings of the Holy Father you are in schism and are not a Catholic.

If you don’t believe that the consecrated host is in fact the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus then you are not Catholic.

If you don’t believe that the Pope is infallible when he speaks from the Chair of Peter then you are not a Catholic.

If you don’t believe that Mary ever virgin was assumed body and soul into heaven then you are not a Catholic.

If you believe it is all right to practice contraception you are not a Catholic. (This is different from being a Catholic and in a moment of weakness committing the sin of contraception.)

If you believe women have a right to murder their babies then you are not a Catholic.

Marsha
Well said and well framed!

Yes there are many things that place an individual in schism (separate us) with the Church, whether we want to admit to ourselves or not.

When I was confirmed I had to swear before God (and the entire church assembled at the Easter Vigil Service) that I “believed everything taught by the Church”. (Sorry I do not remember the exact words.) Furthermore, when we renew our Baptismal vows, an oath of this type is one of the forms used.

The Catholic Church is not like a political party in the USA, where you are free to pick and choose what doctrines and moral teachings you agree with what you disagree with.

You are free to reject, for example, that the Shroud of Turin is the Burial Cloth of Jesus or that the Holy Mother appears to St. Juan Diego and gave him the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Those are not matters of doctrine or morals. Rejecting or accepting these can be left up to an individual.

You are not free to reject the need for confession or any other sacrament. You cannot claim that homosexual actions, heterosexual relations outside of marriage or pornography are not intrinsically evil. You **cannot **to claim that skipping Sunday Mass is okay. You cannot deny that Bible is the inerrant Word of God. These are all matters of faith and morals taught by the Church. To reject even one is to put a wall between yourself and full communion with the Church founded by Christ.

An important question to always ask yourself is “Does this glorify God?” We all sin. It is the desire to avoid sin and remain in communion with God and the Church that leads to reconcile with God through the sacrament of confession and penance.

As was pointed out by Marsha Adams, committing a sin is quite different than embracing it.

No, you cannot reject Catholic teachings yet still be a Catholic.
 
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