Catholics have it wrong?

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Will a Southern Baptist worship in a Methodist church and believe all that is taught?

Will a Church of God of Prophesy worship in a Freewill Baptist church and believe all that is taught?

The one thing that most every denomination had in common was that the “Catholics have it wrong” which is why you should worship with us (Name your Protestant denomination here). Seems like maybe they may also believe that each other have it wrong as well, least in part.

These questions popped into my head when I had my conversion and needed to know where I should worship (former atheist).

for clarification, when I say “Taught”, I am refering to Official Doctrin of that particular faith.
 
You are right that pretty much all Protestants denigrate Catholicism. I have learned much from this board however, namely that much of what is tossed about in the Protestant world re Catholics is false. Here are the top five “myths” I think:
  1. Most Catholics don’t read or know the Bible.
  2. The Catholic Church discourages parishioners from reading the Bible.
  3. Catholic theology is “works-based”. Catholics nullify grace by believing you earn salvation.
  4. Catholics worship Mary and the Saints.
  5. Catholics can’t reconcile Papal infallibility with the Inquisition.
This is what I’ve always been told, but I’ve learned differently now. I will tell you Papal infallability is HUGELY misunderstood by Portestants.
 
ErikaA said:
  1. Most Catholics don’t read or know the Bible.
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i think thats reasonable. my observation as i came from a predominantly catholic nation. i even grew up among my catholic grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins (yeah in the philippines its so poor that its common for such a group to share one house), we constantly prayed the rosary but the black bible only gathered dust over the years.
ErikaA said:
  1. Catholics worship Mary and the Saints.
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thats not a myth. Catholics Dulia worship Mary & the Saints.
 
AgnosTheist said:
thats not a myth. Catholics Dulia worship Mary & the Saints.
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Having actually been Catholic, yes it is a lie. Catholics honor the saints because they’re better people than we are and ask them for intercession – for them to pray to God for whatever it is. It’s not worship, it’s good business sense: delegation, people, delegation! Why have this massive pipeline of prayers going straight to God’s already-cluttered desk when they can be funneled through the appropriate channels? 🙂

Prayer is not worship, it’s asking.
 
AgnosTheist said:
and its also called “Worship of Dulia”.
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“Dulia” is a description of the veneration that is given to the holy saints of the Church–including Our Lady. You do not hear Catholics and Orthodox walk arounfd saying “I dulia worship the Theotokos and the Saints!”

Dulia is used as further clarification when people try to equate veneration of the saints with the worship that is due only to the Holy Trinity. So, yes, Erica is correct. It is a myth.
 
ErikaA said:
You are right that pretty much all Protestants denigrate Catholicism. I have learned much from this board however, namely that much of what is tossed about in the Protestant world re Catholics is false. Here are the top five “myths” I think:
  1. Most Catholics don’t read or know the Bible.
  2. The Catholic Church discourages parishioners from reading the Bible.
  3. Catholic theology is “works-based”. Catholics nullify grace by believing you earn salvation.
  4. Catholics worship Mary and the Saints.
  5. Catholics can’t reconcile Papal infallibility with the Inquisition.
This is what I’ve always been told, but I’ve learned differently now. I will tell you Papal infallability is HUGELY misunderstood by Portestants.
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I think it’s true about the Bible. Nowadays, Catholics are hungry for Scripture and there are a lot of parish-based Scripture studies and other programs for reading the Bible. But it is certainly true that in my generation, although Scripture was taught in Catholic schools, individuals WERE discouraged from reading the Bible on their own – and the catastrophic results of individual reading and intepretation pretty much justified the caution!

That said, having begun my Christian walk in a Bible based denomination and then as an Episcopalian, I can honestly say that the people in the pew THOUGHT they knew the Bible a lot better than they really did. Even as a seminary graduate, I have learned much more Scripture on this side of the Tiber than I ever did as a Protestant.
 
newadvent.org/cathen/15710a.htm
"When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.)."

I think thats thats the main protestant concern. They have an issue of ‘indirectly worshipping god’ by worshipping the saints too.

Protestants honor the saints too. But the way they honor them is just on the same level of how catholics honor major prophets like Moses, David & Isaiah.
 
mercygate said:
Agnos, you have been around here long enough to be held accountable for the history of the word “worship” and its specific delineation regarding the veneration of the saints and the specific worship due only to God alone.
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Nobody is accusing catholics of worshipping the saints as God. Thats why I posted the link to new advent. For everyone to see the level of worship catholics are giving to saints.
 
In the Orthodox Church the worship (latreia) given to God is completely different from the honor (tim) of love (agape) and respect, or even veneration (proskynesis), “paid to all those endowed with some dignity” (St. John Chrysostom, Hom. III, 40). The Orthodox honor the saints to express their love and gratitude to God, who has “perfected” the saints. As St. Symeon the New Theologian writes, "God is the teacher of the Prophets, the co-traveller with the Apostles, the power of the Martyrs, the inspiration of the Fathers and Teachers, the perfection of all Saints … " (Catechesis, I).
goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article8044.asp
 
Hey Mickey, off topic…do orthodox people pray the rosary too? just curious. thanks. 🙂
 
AgnosTheist said:
Hey Mickey, off topic…do orthodox people pray the rosary too? just curious. thanks. 🙂
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Chotki (Gr: komboschini) (prayer rope)–The same prayer is said on each knot.

"Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner."
 
AgnosTheist said:
newadvent.org/cathen/15710a.htm
“*When worship is addressed only indirectly *to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.).”

I think thats thats the main protestant concern. They have an issue of ‘indirectly worshipping god’ by worshipping the saints too.

Protestants honor the saints too. But the way they honor them is just on the same level of how catholics honor major prophets like Moses, David & Isaiah.
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I think the main Protestant concern should be that when any or the pastors stretches out their hands and says **“I will pray for you now, to Our Lord Jesus” ** that somehow that Pastor’s prayer will bypass all the interceding prayers of the Angels and Saints, and the Holy Mother of Our Lord, and proceed unfiltered and unerringly to Our Father in Heaven!

Such insolence!

You cannot saunter into the White House to see the most powerful leader of the freeworld, nor approach the throne room of the Queen of England without appointment, being escorted and heralded into their presence but any ‘Jimminy Cricket’ can approach The Holiest of Holy, The Alpha and Omega, The Creator and Maker of Heaven and Earth??!! A Supreme Being that requires the soul to be stainless and ‘as white as snow’ to be in The Presence!!??

INSOLENCE!!

No wonder He is so Merciful and Loving!

Only such a Being can put up with it!

:cool:
 
Deconi said:
Such insolence!

You cannot saunter into the White House to see the most powerful leader of the freeworld, nor approach the throne room of the Queen of England without appointment, being escorted and heralded into their presence but any ‘Jimminy Cricket’ can approach The Holiest of Holy, The Alpha and Omega, The Creator and Maker of Heaven and Earth??!! A Supreme Being that requires the soul to be stainless and ‘as white as snow’ to be in The Presence!!??

INSOLENCE!!

No wonder He is so Merciful and Loving!

Only such a Being can put up with it!

:cool:
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I think because He’s Merciful and Loving, He’s approachable. Isn’t that more or less what Jesus teaches. In fact, isn’t Jesus as God approachable? Don’t know if I agree with your reasoning there.
 
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