Catholics have the fullness of truth. Protestants have part of the truth! What does this mean?

[1voice]

I’m sorry, I have no idea what you mean by this.

… Jesus said; If you do as he describes … Then he will respond.
If … Then

Where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name … he promised something.

When bread and wine are consumed in memory of him … he promised something.

 

[achristiantoo]

We believe that Christ is the way, the truth and the life. We just don’t believe the Catholic Church(or any church) is where we should go to get all the answers. We believe that God though the Holy Ghost will give you the wisdom and knowledge to interpreted the Bible.

amen

 

[achristiantoo]

then how is it that two people come to completely different conclusions when interpreting scripture? Surely they both can’t be right? How can you know what is Truth?

For Catholics we have Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and Sacred Teaching Authority (magisterium). It is a 3 legged stool. If you take any one leg away the stool will tip over.

I, including you, have one solid “Rock” … His name is Jesus Christ

I will place my faith on Jesus vs a stoll anyday

 

[guanophore]

We believe that Christ is the way, the truth and the life. We just don’t believe the Catholic Church(or any church) is where we should go to get all the answers. We believe that God though the Holy Ghost will give you the wisdom and knowledge to interpreted the Bible.

So…

What brings you here?

 

[HolyHandGrenade]

It all comes down to who has the authority. Since the Bible cannot give authority even to itself then this means there is an authority that God gave the faithful to be able to teach them His doctrines. This authority is a Church but in order For it to be an authority this Church must be visible. This is not something that is up for debate since it is good old fashion common sense.

Now if two Christians read the same verse and one comes away with interpretation A and the other comes away with interpretation B and both claim they are from the Holy Spirit even though they both contradict each other then who do we believe? I mean hello this is our Salvation we are talking about. Now without authority we would have to treat both interpretations as being equally correct but we can’t do that because they both contradict each other! So the logical conclusion is there has to be an authority outside of the Bible (an infallible Church) that is guided by God with the mission of teaching and interpreting His infallible written Word (The Bible.)

The Catholic Church is the only Church that can provide evidence…historical evidence that it has this authority.

 

[St_Francis]

I, including you, have one solid “Rock” … His name is Jesus Christ

I will place my faith on Jesus vs a stoll anyday

And yet it was Simon (Peter) whom Christ named Rock, wasn’t it?

 

[St_Francis]

Then when anyone does either … Jesus keeps his promise
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??? If anyone does either what? So far, we have one action, people praying together.

What about the words of Christ, that without eating His Flesh or drinking His Blood, we would have no life within us?

 

[1voice]

??? If anyone does either what? So far, we have one action, people praying together.

why do you limit the activity to only ‘praying together’?

Jesus makes an If/Then statement…

If anyone does either of the following…

… Jesus said; If anyone does as he describes … Then he will respond in a particular way.

(If) 2 or 3 are gathered in his name … (then) he promised something specific.

(If) bread and wine are consumed in memory of him … (then) he promised something specific.

What about the words of Christ, that without eating His Flesh or drinking His Blood, we would have no life within us?

John

1 … In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 … The same was in the beginning with God.
4 … In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
14 … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

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John 5:24
Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath life everlasting; and cometh not into judgment, but is passed from death to life.​

John 6:64
It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.​

John 6:69
And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

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Flesh = word = truth = spirit = light = life

 

[fred_conty]

I heard Catholics say this before and I don’t understand the saying. What exactly do this mean? I think Protestants believe they have the full truth because we have the Bible, God’s words.

This means:

1. The Catholic church teaches many truths that either state the revelation of God, or
   more completely explain the revelation of God. See the Catechism of the Catholic
   church.
2. The is a Protestant teaching contrary to,or denial of, any one of those teachings.

The above is a fact. For example:
no Trinity, Jesus not devine, Jesus not human, sola scripture, sola fide, denial of Peter
as head, denial of bishops and priests, not need for baptism, no need for any of the other
sacraments, prayer is out, predestination to hell is in, sin is ok because once saved
always saved, no need for infinite baptism, authority of the church is not needed, the
church is not helping anyone therefore no body of christ on earth, symbolic and litteral
meanings switched at will, good works are nonsense, religious decorations are pegan,
change books of bible, no tradition except my own, and so forth.

Need I go on? I cannot think of any doctrine specifically catholic that hasn’t been thrown
away or changed by some denomination.

Having said all of that, I do love you because you are my brethern in Jesus.

 

[ClamDigger]

I heard Catholics say this before and I don’t understand the saying. What exactly do this mean? I think Protestants believe they have the full truth because we have the Bible, God’s words.

Protestants don’t have the full truth because almost all of them don’t believe in, recognize, or follow the ancient traditions that were passed on by word of mouth and have been preserved by the Catholic Church (2 Thessalonians 2:15, 2 Thessalonians 3:6).

 

[St_Francis]

I believe that. I put that under living a Holy life. My church have communion. God didn’t say how many times to have it, he just said do it and do it in remembrance of me. We usually have it every 1st Sunday.

why do you limit the activity to only ‘praying together’?

Jesus makes an If/Then statement…

If anyone does either of the following…

John

1 … In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 … The same was in the beginning with God.
4 … In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
14 … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

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John 5:24
Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath life everlasting; and cometh not into judgment, but is passed from death to life.​

John 6:64
It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.​

John 6:69
And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

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Flesh = word = truth = spirit = light = life

Christ said that unless we eat of His Flesh and drink of His Blood, we will have no life within us. He was so emphatic about this that many of His followers left Him.

If it is as you say, then why did He not explain further? Obviously they must have had the right idea, that Christ meant what He said literally.

 

[HolyHandGrenade]

Christ said that unless we eat of His Flesh and drink of His Blood, we will have no life within us. He was so emphatic about this that many of His followers left Him.

If it is as you say, then why did He not explain further? Obviously they must have had the right idea, that Christ meant what He said literally.

They did understand it as being literal which is why they left. I always found it odd that the present day Christians that deny the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist do not see how they demonstrate the exact same behavior as those who left Christ when He said that they would have to eat His Body and Drink His Blood.

 

[Calgar]

And yet it was Simon (Peter) whom Christ named Rock, wasn’t it?

Where exactly did you hear that?

 

[ClamDigger]

Where exactly did you hear that?

“And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” --Matthew 16.18

“And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus looking upon him, said: Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas (Aramaic for ‘rock’), which is interpreted Peter (from ‘petros’, Greek for ‘rock’).” --John 1.42

Sola Scriptura.

 

[1voice]

Christ said that unless we eat of His Flesh and drink of His Blood, we will have no life within us. He was so emphatic about this that many of His followers left Him.

If it is as you say, then why did He not explain further? Obviously they must have had the right idea, that Christ meant what He said literally.

Have you ever eaten human flesh?
The meaning, as we know now, was spiritual.
… and Jesus did explain it. Other wise the Apostle John (quoted above) and the other writers of the New Testament would not have understood well enough to write the explanation. The ones that left when Jesus made the statement just didnt stick around long enough to hear the explanation. Jesus was searching their hearts when he made that statement. Peter demonstrated the situation in his response to Jesus question. Peter was as confused as the rest but he wanted life no matter what. Jesus wanted only those to whom the Father was revealing himself. Peter declared who Jesus was and Jesus told Peter that the knowledge could only come from his Father. That knowledge gave Peter(as well as all of those that stayed) the strength to overcome even the fiercely ingrained traditions of Judaism.
In Jewish law, even touching a dead body was strictly prohibited … the thought of eating human flesh would have been like blasphemy against God … as well as disgusting.
Jesus, who had personally given that law(and all of the laws) to Moses thousands of years before, knew exactly what he was doing when he said you must eat my flesh. He knew that some would leave and he knew why as well. Many followed Jesus because he healed and created bread and fish seemingly out of thin air… not particularly because they wanted to be changed. ‘Man looks on the outside, God looks on the heart’. Jesus threw out stumbling blocks like, eat my flesh, in order to sort out those whom God was calling from those that were just along for a good ride. Jesus wanted/valued trust. So every once in a while he checked to see those that really trusted him by revealing their hearts.

 

[guanophore]

why do you limit the activity to only ‘praying together’?

Jesus makes an If/Then statement…

If anyone does either of the following…

John

1 … In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 … The same was in the beginning with God.
4 … In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
14 … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

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John 5:24
Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath life everlasting; and cometh not into judgment, but is passed from death to life.​

John 6:64
It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.​

John 6:69
And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

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Flesh = word = truth = spirit = light = life

Yes, but this is not all that was taught by the Apostles about Life. Catholics include all of it, no just picking and choosing certain verses.

 

[guanophore]

Where exactly did you hear that?

John 1:35-42

35 The next day again John was standing with two of his disciples; 36 and he looked at Jesus as he walked, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God!” 37 The two disciples heard him say this, and they followed Jesus. 38 Jesus turned, and saw them following, and said to them, “What do you seek?” And they said to him, “Rabbi” (which means Teacher), “where are you staying?” 39 He said to them, “Come and see.” They came and saw where he was staying; and they stayed with him that day, for it was about the tenth hour. 40 One of the two who heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother. 41 He first found his brother Simon, and said to him, “We have found the Messiah” (which means Christ). 42 He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, “So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas” (which means Peter).

Matt 16:18-20
18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

Cephas = Peter = Rock

 

[guanophore]

 Have you ever eaten human flesh?

The meaning, as we know now, was spiritual.

The fact that something is literal does not necessarily mean it is only physical. For example, there are literal angels, but they do not have physical bodies. They are literal spiritual realities. This is a common mistake, assuming that because something is literally true it must mean it is “symbolic” or “metaphor”. I assure you that the angels are not symbols or metaphors!

… and Jesus did explain it.

Then why did all the Aposles and all their disciples believe that He meant literal (physical) Body and Blood?

Why was Jesus to weak or disinterested to correct His Church for 1600 years?

 Jesus threw out stumbling blocks like, eat my flesh, in order to sort out those whom God was calling from those that were just along for a good ride. Jesus wanted/valued trust. So every once in a while he checked to see those that really trusted him by revealing their hearts.

I agree. This is why the early Christians called those who did not believe in the Real Presence “heretics”.

 

[HolyHandGrenade]

Have you ever eaten human flesh?
The meaning, as we know now, was spiritual.
… and Jesus did explain it. Other wise the Apostle John (quoted above) and the other writers of the New Testament would not have understood well enough to write the explanation. The ones that left when Jesus made the statement just didnt stick around long enough to hear the explanation. Jesus was searching their hearts when he made that statement. Peter demonstrated the situation in his response to Jesus question. Peter was as confused as the rest but he wanted life no matter what. Jesus wanted only those to whom the Father was revealing himself. Peter declared who Jesus was and Jesus told Peter that the knowledge could only come from his Father. That knowledge gave Peter(as well as all of those that stayed) the strength to overcome even the fiercely ingrained traditions of Judaism.
In Jewish law, even touching a dead body was strictly prohibited … the thought of eating human flesh would have been like blasphemy against God … as well as disgusting.
Jesus, who had personally given that law(and all of the laws) to Moses thousands of years before, knew exactly what he was doing when he said you must eat my flesh. He knew that some would leave and he knew why as well. Many followed Jesus because he healed and created bread and fish seemingly out of thin air… not particularly because they wanted to be changed. ‘Man looks on the outside, God looks on the heart’. Jesus threw out stumbling blocks like, eat my flesh, in order to sort out those whom God was calling from those that were just along for a good ride. Jesus wanted/valued trust. So every once in a while he checked to see those that really trusted him by revealing their hearts.

This doesn’t explain why Saint Paul tells us if we dont descern the Body and Blood of our Lord and recieve unworthly the bread and wine in communion then we are guilty of our Lords body and Blood. Doesn’t make sense if communion is just a symbol.

That would be like me making a doll and saying it represents you but also saying if anyone steps on it, rips it, or burns it, then they are guilty of literally doing all of these things to you. Now there is no way this could be possible unless this doll actually contains your real presence within it.

 

[1voice]

Yes, but this is not all that was taught by the Apostles about Life. Catholics include all of it, no just picking and choosing certain verses.

Well… you demonstrate here that you have mastered the forceful delivery of 1 or 2 Catholic cliches … but not much else.