Catholics have the fullness of truth. Protestants have part of the truth! What does this mean?

[1voice]

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Originally Posted by 1voice
What heresy do you assume I have embraced then?

There is no need to assume. If you really believe the things you posted here, then they are plain.
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Well, I (seriously, honestly) tried praying that Mary would intercede for me this morning during my quiet devotion.
Not a split second went by before I heard the Lord’s firm command inside (and I know that voice)
… “You pray to Me.”

 

[vsedriver]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1voice
What heresy do you assume I have embraced then?

Well, I (seriously, honestly) tried praying that Mary would intercede for me this morning during my quiet devotion.
Not a split second went by before I heard the Lord’s firm command inside (and I know that voice)
… “You pray to Me.”

does this mean I can’t intercede for you? not that my prayers would probably count for much.

 

[kotim]

Salavation will be hard enough being Catholic let alone moving further off centre to other protestatn type denominations.

Basically the Catholic Church’s position is that only Christ saves, but he gave the Church ‘things’ to help people come to Christ. So we have communion, which helps us move closer to God, he gave us all sorts of extra help for us. Can a protestant be saved without communion and all sorts of other things, no doubt they can its just that it will be harder, its as simple as that.

Allways remember that despite a few differees like the extent of the Popes role in the Church and some difficulties with expressions the Oriental orthodox, The orthodox and the Catholics all pretty much believe and practice the same things. Now say what you like bout Cathlics but the mere fact that the original churches from the time of Christ all pretty much practice and believe the same things from antiquity means that you would have to believe that All the Early Christian lost their way.

People don’t want to be catholic for all osrts of reason and most of them are becasue they do not understand what and why it is taught becasue they do not wish to seek out the truth for themselvea dn test what is taught and practiced by comparing it to early Christianity.

Anyhow We all work on our salvation through our personal interaction with each other and God and live inthe hope that our growth in faith will be enough for Christ to grant us his mercy on our day of judgment.

Christ be with you all.

 

[St_Francis]

Many modern evangelicals have no clue about the origin of the Bible.

When I was growing up Catholic, I did not either. We were not taught how to read it, and knew very little about it. Imagine my shock when I realized it was a Catholic book!

You are right. When people tell me their church is based on the Bible, I tell them the Bible is based on my Church

 

[Robintrinket]

The Holy Spirit? I thought Catholics listen to the Pope/Church for final authority.

We believe that the Holy Spirit protects the Church from teaching error. The Pope and Church get their authority from God, so God is the final authority.

 

[Robintrinket]

Also I know Protestant general definition, But what I might I consider Protestant might be different from what you might consider Protestant. A lot of Churches I put on the Catholic side.

A truly Catholic Church follows the authority of the Pope. The point we are making is that all non-Catholic churches (meaning the ones that split away to do their own thing at one point, whatever you wish to call them) have the Bible and claim to follow it and know best what it teaches. They have come to as many conclusions about what the Bible actually teaches as there are churches, and keep disagreeing over doctrine and splitting again and again. I don’t know which churches you are putting on the Catholic side, but if they have rejected the Pope’s authority they are not Catholic.

You said you can go to several different churches and hear the same thing. Of course, all Christian churches teach some of the same things. They all teach *some *Christian doctrine. That is what we mean by non-Catholic churches having some of the truth, but not all of it. They do believe and teach different things. Some non-Catholic churches permit divorce, some teach pacifism, some allow abortion, some teach you are saved by faith alone and it doesn’t matter what you do, while others do not. They all disagreed over doctrine at some point, which is why they had to split and form a new church. Some non-Catholic churches may be kind of similar to each other, but even if you think their differences are not important, their founders apparantly thought they were important enough to start their own church.

 

[1voice]

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Originally Posted by 1voice
Heresy?

It is true that the faith of the Apostles is truly the high ground. It is also true that those who remain in unity with their teachings can be on that high ground.

But it is not up to any individual Catholics to determine what is heresy and what is not. It is our duty to recognize it and avoid it.
Besides, you did not seem to want “generalized” responses.

I went to the Lord with your concerns. He gave me a “specific” response. I posted it two days ago and it was quickly deleted by the board mod and I was given 10 demerits.

 

[rinnie]

I think it does. Where I’m from the Bible is all we need. We don’t see why the Pope is necessary. If we don’t understand something in the Bible than we just pray to God.

Well the word of God tells you to go to the Church. Where I am from the bible does not have everything we need. If you and I have the same bible your bible tells you that to.

 

[rinnie]

Heresy? I love how you Catholics always use terms that assume the high ground no matter what.
‘Lord, they didnt agree with us, shall we send fire down from heaven?’

What heresy do you assume I have embraced then?

… and, a little off the subject, but what is your take on Charismatic Catholics. The reason that I ask is … I am probably closest to that expression of faith in my own Christian walk. … Praying to see my friends get healed, speaking in tongues, baptism in the Holy Spirit …

As to why I am here… this part of the forum seems to create the best atmosphere to compare and debate the different views on religion/faith… I like to see how others think and express my thoughts just like the rest of everybody… I’ve always been curious about such things.

See that is your first and biggest mistake lvoice. You claim you were once Catholic correct? You claim to have a Catholic Education.

Then where in the world did you get the understanding that you or I can interpret scripture. That is like the first thing we learn.

Unless you are going to tell me that let you do that in the Catholic School. Come on. Why do you feel that accepting the teachings of the RCC according to the Gift that Christ sent on Pentecost the Holy Spirit be taking the high road to you?

 

[1voice]

It doesnt bother me one way or the other… I was just trying to let the guy know that I responded and the reason for his not seeing it… I took my concerns to the Lord I got some good insight. The reaction of the mod was an insight as well.
I found it quite humorous actually… 10 demerits. One of my friends remarked… watch out, they might send a nun, ruler in hand, to whack your knuckles. It brought back fond memories of stern looks under those thick eyebrows from Sister Mary Cancius in the 8th grade.

 

[1voice]

See that is your first and biggest mistake lvoice. You claim you were once Catholic correct? You claim to have a Catholic Education.

Then where in the world did you get the understanding that you or I can interpret scripture. That is like the first thing we learn.

Unless you are going to tell me that let you do that in the Catholic School. Come on. Why do you feel that accepting the teachings of the RCC according to the Gift that Christ sent on Pentecost the Holy Spirit be taking the high road to you?

guanophore, above, asked essentially the same question. The mod deleted my response and gave me 10 demerits.

 

[1voice]

… It is not my intention to break rules here on the board. If i do, it is inadvertent.

… as for your psychoanalysis of my sense of humor … well, … you know

 

[rinnie]

It doesnt bother me one way or the other… I was just trying to let the guy know that I responded and the reason for his not seeing it… I took my concerns to the Lord I got some good insight. The reaction of the mod was an insight as well.
I found it quite humorous actually… 10 demerits. One of my friends remarked… watch out, they might send a nun, ruler in hand, to whack your knuckles. It brought back fond memories of stern looks under those thick eyebrows from Sister Mary Cancius in the 8th grade.

It is sad how you and your friends find this so amusing. It also is sad that it does not bother you at all. Maybe you should take a little more time in prayer and see what you are really looking for.

Sometimes God words in mysterious ways. You having trouble with Sister then the mods.

Maybe you can take a little inventory of your life and see what you are truly missing. You seem to be lost to me and are really searching for something. My gut tell me you are hurting inside. But I could be wrong.

I will pray for you that you can find what you are looking for. And I pray that if you ever do come back to the Catholic faith you do not treat the faith that you are in right now the same way. I would hope you could show people some of the good in the faith rather then everything negative.

We are taught from our beloved Pope to have respect for all faiths and to admire them for the truth that they do Teach.

Again you are in my prayers.

 

[guanophore]

Then where in the world did you get the understanding that you or I can interpret scripture.

The human brain interprets everything that comes in through the senses. Of course we interpret everything we read. Our minds automatically attempt to reconcile the (name removed by moderator)ut coming in to what we already know, and organize the new information in a way that makes sense to us.

Our perceptions are governed by our experience and education (or lack of it), which is why people can read the same thing, and come out with opposite answers.

It was Catholics interpreting Scripture that resulted in the Reformation, so it would be spurious to say that Catholics cannot, or do not, interpret the Scripture.

The difference in how we do it from how our separated brethren interpret is that we interpret through the lens of Sacred Tradition, which is the Teaching of the Apostles, preserved infallibly in the Church by the Holy Spirit.

Those who have rejected the Sacred Tradition usually interpret it through lenses created by their spiritual ancestors (Reformers). But all of us interpret.