Catholics in Australia and England

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I watched the trailer to Fr. Baron’s upcoming new movie, “Catholicism: The New Evangelization.” The trailer almost exclusively contained clips from young English and Australians. So that made me wonder–what’s it like being Catholic in the UK and Australia? I know that there has been a tremendous amount of secularization in these places, but is the New Evangelization evident and growing? Are churches growing with young people? Is the secularism of these places overblown?

I wonder if World Youth Day in Sydney and the Holy Father’s recent visit to England has changed things a bit. I also know that there has been a traditional hostility towards Catholics in the UK–but I assume that might be changing as Poles immigrate into London and Catholicism there grows.

Any thoughts–and experiences?
 
I’m a convert so my experiences are recent, but can say that from my own perspective that we are alive and well in the UK. 🙂

You have posed a lot of questions, but I will start off with the visit of the Holy Father. The only word for that is WOW. 😃

Our beloved Pope Benedict knocked the country onto it’s backside… He totally confounded the critics and doom-sayers who predicted that not only would crowds of supporters be few, but also that crowds of protesters would be huge. It was the other way around. There were massive crowds turned out to see and cheer him. It was glorious to see. One of my favourite things was when he addressed the politicians in Westminster Hall. That building is the oldest building in Parliament and parts of it have been there for 1200 years, when England was a Catholic country. Seeing that beloved little man stand there and call secularism to account was wonderful. The media were stunned.

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2010/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20100917_societa-civile_en.html
*In this light, I cannot but voice my concern at the increasing marginalization of religion, particularly of Christianity, that is taking place in some quarters, even in nations which place a great emphasis on tolerance. There are those who would advocate that the voice of religion be silenced, or at least relegated to the purely private sphere. There are those who argue that the public celebration of festivals such as Christmas should be discouraged, in the questionable belief that it might somehow offend those of other religions or none. And there are those who argue – paradoxically with the intention of eliminating discrimination – that Christians in public roles should be required at times to act against their conscience. These are worrying signs of a failure to appreciate not only the rights of believers to freedom of conscience and freedom of religion, but also the legitimate role of religion in the public square. I would invite all of you, therefore, within your respective spheres of influence, to seek ways of promoting and encouraging dialogue between faith and reason at every level of national life.
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Yes, there is tremendous secularism here, it is strident and vocal. However the RCC holds to it’s own doctrines and does not bend beneath the battering ram (often wielded in courts of law) which tries force religions to compromise their faith just to fit into the secularists opinions of where religion should belong in society.

As an example, below is a link to a recent victory regarding the opening of a new and much needed Catholic school. Although it was the British Humanist Association which brought the case, it was done with much the same reasons cited by secularists:

bbc.co.uk/news/education-20368325

Incidentally, it is interesting to note that on the BBC web site, secularism is listed in the section on religions.

bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/atheism/types/secularism.shtml

When it comes to the old prejudices against Catholics in the UK, I cannot speak for Scotland, Northern Ireland or Wales as they have their own unique concerns. In England what I have personally found is that those who raise their eyebrows at one’s declaration of being Catholic is that they often base their prejudices on a combination of vague historical mumblings about “Bloody Mary” (Queen Mary of the Tudor dynasty) and distaste based on urban myths (e.g. we worship the Blessed Virgin, pray to saints, get given a “get out of hell free” card when we go to confession, we hate homosexuals, and force women to have dozens of children to name a few). It just takes a willing heart and a bit of courage to speak up and say “Actually, that is not correct. What we believe is this…”

Because of the awfully inadequate teaching of history in schools over the last 25 years, most of the younger generation have no real clue as to why Catholics have their particular place in British history. As such I have found younger people more receptive to listening to the debunking of the urban myths.

Going onto the influx of Eastern Europeans, particularly Polish Catholics. In my diocese we have made them as welcome as any other newcomers, but their presence here is over-reported. Because Catholicism is world-wide we have a huge variety in the ethnicity and nationalities of fellow Catholics coming and going all the time. One word here also about the make-up of the Masses, we have a full range of ages too. Depending on where I am (at home or visiting) I attend Mass in any one of four churches and all of them have ages from new-borns to the venerable elderly.

What continually strikes me and (if such a feeling is permitted) makes me very proud of our Holy Mother Church is the serenity with which most of the people I come across display to the secularists. It is not displayed with either arrogance or with fear, but with a quiet certainty that we have been members of Christ’s Bride for 2’000 years, and will continue to be until He comes again. That does seem unshakeable and while we do get pot-shots taken at us all the time in the media, it really doesn’t have any effect on wider life of the Church. We are here, and will continue to be so, until Our Lord deems otherwise.
 
Splendid post, Netty.
What is it like to be a Catholic in England?
The sky has not fallen. 😃 On a personal note, what immediately comes to mind is gratefulness. I come from an unbroken line of cradle Catholics (six Popes in my lifetime, albeit in the past I often referred to five as I was not that much aware of Pope Pius XII as a child) and can only really express gratitude because I was born into the Catholic faith despite the chequered history of Catholicism in this country together with events which affected its members and greatly influenced the ebb and flow within the Catholic community.
Are Churches growing with young people?
Yes. I reckon that will be on account of the unbeatable holy tandem i.e. Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI. Blessed John Paul II made the Church very visible and was an invitation to the younger generation to “come and see”. The moment they accepted the invitation, they discovered (as we all have) a perfect teacher in Pope Benedict XVI. I have always believed that God gives us the Pope we need in our lifetime.
Is secularism overblown?
No. It is as reported. I reckon, it is the same outside of the UK (perhaps, to a lesser degree in non-Western countries). In terms of foisted challenges against the Catholic Church by institutionalised secularism, we carry on nonetheless (as those before us have done) and have the benefit of legal tools to employ in comparison to my great-grandparents’ generation (pre-emancipation).

As to Catholic immigrants. All well and good if they continue to trust God and not government when all else fails. Some do and some don’t. Just like English Catholics. 🙂
 
In Australia, there is movement, albeit slowly! I had a break in my Catholic participation at Masses for a while, and returned last year. The Churches have grown greatly in comparison to 5years ago with many young people and Families in regular attendance.

On the topic of Evangelisation in some Cities and States; virtually non-existent which saddens me tremendously. There are certain Priests who are up for it in some States and others against evangelisation.

Recently I attempted to print off (with Copyright fine) some Holy Cards (paid for by myself) to be given out to Year 12 Graduation Students during their Masses. Permission from the regional Bishop was requested and met with a firm “No”. It was Jesus’ messages to the World, via Sister Faustina in Milan (1969) originally printed by Mamma Carmella. Most Catholics and Christians would be familiar with this Holy Prayer Card.

Further, the Bishop was not happy about Jesus Holy Prayer Cards being placed in the Foyer of the Church(es) for regular Parishioners of a weekend.

A letter was sent to me explaining that the Catholic Church does not advocate this type of despatch/evangelisation etc (words to that effect).

During the same week I had applied for the despatch of Jesus’ printed Holy Prayer Cards, I was introduced (through a professional colleague) to his beautiful Christian kind and loving Wife who was a mild Evangeliser of all types of Jesus and Our Lady Mary Mother of Jesus’ Holy Cards, Scapulas, Miraculous Medals, spreading Jesus’ Catholic and Christian Scriptures!

Praise and Thanks be to Thee Dear Jesus and Our Lady Mary Mother of Jesus for this lovely dear Friend coming into my life recently!
 
In Australia, there is movement, albeit slowly! I had a break in my Catholic participation at Masses for a while, and returned last year. The Churches have grown greatly in comparison to 5years ago with many young people and Families in regular attendance.

On the topic of Evangelisation in some Cities and States; virtually non-existent which saddens me tremendously. There are certain Priests who are up for it in some States and others against evangelisation.

Recently I attempted to print off (with Copyright fine) some Holy Cards (paid for by myself) to be given out to Year 12 Graduation Students during their Masses. Permission from the regional Bishop was requested and met with a firm “No”. It was Jesus’ messages to the World, via Sister Faustina in Milan (1969) originally printed by Mamma Carmella. Most Catholics and Christians would be familiar with this Holy Prayer Card.

Further, the Bishop was not happy about Jesus Holy Prayer Cards being placed in the Foyer of the Church(es) for regular Parishioners of a weekend.

A letter was sent to me explaining that the Catholic Church does not advocate this type of despatch/evangelisation etc (words to that effect).

During the same week I had applied for the despatch of Jesus’ printed Holy Prayer Cards, I was introduced (through a professional colleague) to his beautiful Christian kind and loving Wife who was a mild Evangeliser of all types of Jesus and Our Lady Mary Mother of Jesus’ Holy Cards, Scapulas, Miraculous Medals, spreading Jesus’ Catholic and Christian Scriptures!

Praise and Thanks be to Thee Dear Jesus and Our Lady Mary Mother of Jesus for this lovely dear Friend coming into my life recently!
I find this so sad. http://th409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/scrappinkym/Smiley Emoticons/th_sad.gif

I’ve found that the colourful and many varied prayer card / holy cards which Catholics seem well-known for are a ready way to open conversation with non-Catholics, especially non-Christians. The cards tell stories and when someone asks “who is that?” or “what does that mean” when spotting a card used as a book-mark etc., it’s a way open to spread the Good News.

We have so much beauty to share which flows like a river from our faith, what a shame not to be generous with the gifts.
 
It’s tough but there are definitely shoots of life. Our small parish has provided two young men in seminary. One became a priest last year. We also have a really sound youth group. Some dioceses though are really suffering such as Menevia. I think the Church is being purified.
 
🙂 Another reply from England…

I think it depends very much on individual parishes and how they are run. I attend Mass in my home parish, where I grew up, although I lived away for over 20 years.

20 years ago, there were 3 Masses, including a Saturday vigil and all were very well attended. There was a Parish Church and a lovely Chapel of Ease, which is where 1 Mass was held on Sunday. 20 years ago, there were invariable people standing at the back of the chapel, because so many people loved it and the Parish Priest was very well liked too.

Now, we share a PP with a neighbouring parish and the chapel has been de-consecrated and leased out to a private business. There are 2 Masses, each attanded by between 30 and 60 people. That’s a drop in 20 years of around 70% 😦

Very few children attend Mass, which is ironic because the church school over the road is well attended. There is a Little Church for the children and about 3-7 children participate. There is no LC once Sunday each month and on those days, many of these children don’t attend. In fact, some of the LC leaders don’t attend unless it is their turn to lead. That’s not to say they don’t go to Mass elsewhere, because I don’t know, but it isn’t very supportive of the Parish!

I have a friend who is a Deacon (elsewhere) and he says that 90% of the couples who choose a Catholic wedding in his parish live together before marriage. The majority of Catholics I have known since school have either co-habited before marriage or are doing so. Also, the majority of Catholics I know do not see contraception as morally wrong.

I know that perhaps I should not refer to these people as Catholics, because they do not uphold the Catholic faith, but they would describe themselves as either Catholics, or ‘brought up Catholic’

There are a few teenagers and young couples with babies and toddlers, but not many. Most are with parents (grandparents) and are from familes who have always attended Mass as a family unit.

In the media, there are the usual references to ‘convent girls’ and glee when some scandal is unearthed and is perpetrated by someone from a ‘devout’ Catholic family (in the media, Catholics are always ‘devout’ 😉 ) Nobody ever points it out when a criminal is Anglican, Methodist, Hindu, Sikh or Jewish…but us Catholics and Muslims always get our beliefs mentioned when we commit dastardly crimes 😃
 
I am from England too, living in a Northern town of 90,000.

I have yet to be Confirmed and have been attending church for 10 months. My church, one of four in the town, has 10 people in RCIA this year (3 last year). Of those, two will be baptised and the rest Confirmed.

The population of the church, and churches in general, is dominantly elderly, although there are also families with children (who don’t always come to church - I was amazed by how many children belonged to the church during the Christmas Eve Mass when they were asked to come forward). If all those children became faithful Catholics in the future there would be no problem, but I have the impression in the UK that secularism is increasingly the norm and that there is the belief that religious people are deluded/ backwards/ etc. Like in the USA, atheism is rising in the UK 😦

This Tuesday the MPs will vote on whether they agree if gay marriage is to be legalised. If it does become legal, and assuming the Catholic Church maintains its current stance, I can see Catholics and other Christians becoming increasingly marginalised in the future as the Church’s opponents say it is based in the Middle Ages. And then we have the growing Muslim population in the UK, whose demands seem to be put ahead of Christians. Catholicism and Christianity will survive in the UK but I believe it will be seen as being increasingly out of touch and irrelevant to modern-day life.
 
Thanks for everyone’s reply.

Is there anybody else from Australia?
 
Well, eventhough France is not the topic, i can tell you that this country is not “secular”, but officially atheist and managed to transform France into a spiritual desert. Oh, ok sorry, not regarding islam which is highly considered and encouraged, being given free land to build musques, in total contradiction with the official “secular state” motto. There are now 3 000 musquees in France, 2 000 more in construction.

Basically in France, if someone just speaks of God in public, he or she will be regarded as insane or retarded.

France looks like communist Albania.
 
I have attended a few different Churches recently in Australia (a couple of different cities) and discovered that in two different States, that it is primarily young people in their twenties most noticeably absent ie at the age whereby their social life is high on their Agenda which has happened to many of us in our younger days.

It is my belief that the following could invite young people once again through Church doors;

(a) A band or chorus group playing at each and every Mass (with a good mix of both old and new Hymns sung by all) - I miss the old Hymns in particular The Beatitudes, How Great Thou Art, One Bread One Body for example. The music flowing through the open doors half an hour beforehand for old Parishioners and new prospective Parishioners listening and being encouraged!

(b) A letterbox drop undertaken in regional areas around the Churches inviting new Parishioners along with a morning tea once a week

(c) A radio promotional advertisement aired a few times per year to encourage young Parishioners in towns and cities to attend Mass

(d) Pamphlets distributed on Trains and Buses by Catholics around the World in each of their areas, inviting people (wordlessly) to know and open up their Hearts to God, The Holy Spirit, Jesus and Mother Mary.

It is my opinion that Loud Music draws young people into Mass (as seen during Jesus’ Birthday annually and at Easter time). The last few Christmas Day Masses over the years has seen local Churches overflowing (sure, an increase in population/growth, but since the loud bands, as opposed to only organs, have been included, more young people are attending)!
 
The situation in France is very similar to that in Quebec, Canada … Huge churches are filled with around 20-30 elderly people. Very few young adults and almost no children attend masses … Very depressed to see such decline in faith. 😦
 
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