Catholics, is saving faith active or passive?

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I am having a really confused discussion with someone, and one of the issues is whether saving faith is active or passive. Yes, there are several ways this could be meant:
  • Faith alone vs. Faith and works
  • A work of man vs. a work of God
  • Intellectual assent vs. “heart religion”
etc.

What do you say to these?
 
Faith, to me, is more of an action word. I’ll show you some things in the Bible later.

Now, if faith without works is dead, then there can be no such thing as faith alone, unless you define faith as including works.

Faith, in the end, is the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. There can be no true faith without it. However, we do have a duty to foster our faith through prayer, contemplation, and study. Again, it is the work of the Holy Spirit that drives us.

Now, the last one is one that I have argued about with many people. Faith CANNOT be only a matter of the heart. Your heart lies, emotions lie. Sometimes, reason must be involved. There is no way that having intellect and reason, which are two of the things that make us in the image and likeness of God, can be both gifts from God and against having faith. At some point, you must have both. You must know in your head that Jesus is who he claimed to be and why AND you must be willing to accept those things that you cannot understand.

Now, as far as faith goes, I love the Eleventh Chapter from Hebrews. Most people read the first part and stop. I mean read the whole thing. You see that faith MADE people do things. It was faith that made Noah build the Ark. It was Faith that made Abraham leave UR and offer his son to God. And so on.

Faith is active and it must be active in every part of our lives.
 
I am having a really confused discussion with someone, and one of the issues is whether saving faith is active or passive. Yes, there are several ways this could be meant:
  • Faith alone vs. Faith and works
  • A work of man vs. a work of God
  • Intellectual assent vs. “heart religion”
etc.

What do you say to these?
Check St. Paul. He was talking about live faith and dead faith. Dead faith is faith, but you will not be saved.
 
I am having a really confused discussion with someone, and one of the issues is whether saving faith is active or passive. Yes, there are several ways this could be meant:
  • Faith alone vs. Faith and works
  • A work of man vs. a work of God
  • Intellectual assent vs. “heart religion”
etc.

What do you say to these?
2002 God’s free initiative demands man’s free response, for God has created man in his image by conferring on him, along with freedom, the power to know him and love him. The soul only enters freely into the communion of love. God immediately touches and directly moves the heart of man. He has placed in man a longing for truth and goodness that only he can satisfy. The promises of “eternal life” respond, beyond all hope, to this desire:
 
What part? About Faith and Reason?
If I understand him right, he seems to think that ‘lifeless faith’ is incomplete faith that can still save. He also thinks that faith is passive/contemplative, a motive rather than the action itself.
 
If I understand him right, he seems to think that ‘lifeless faith’ is incomplete faith that can still save. He also thinks that faith is passive/contemplative, a motive rather than the action itself.
Honestly, I would need to re-read it. I do agree with him on the Faith/reason connection.
 
‘the Word of God is living and active’. God never is passive, neither do I think a true faith in Him can ever be passive. Although the action stems from His grace rather than our own efforts, action is, it seems, nonetheless essential to faith.
 
I am having a really confused discussion with someone, and one of the issues is whether saving faith is active or passive. Yes, there are several ways this could be meant:
  • Faith alone vs. Faith and works
  • A work of man vs. a work of God
  • Intellectual assent vs. “heart religion”
etc.

What do you say to these?
Hi spoilt-v,

I’m not going to touch the last one.

The second one is easy: salvation is a work of God.

As for the first one, “faith and works” is definitely wrong (read Romans 4:6), but that doesn’t necessarily mean that “faith alone” is right.
 
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