Catholics need organized religious education

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So I’m in the it.
As the CCC says the written word of God supports and nourishes the preached oral word of God. So 360 years before the Church defined the books of the bible as we have it today the Apostles began preaching the good news. This is why St Paul said faith comes by hearing and St John Paul II said faith is born of preaching. While being preached scripture can be used to nourish and support the particular teaching, e.g., when teaching the Eucharist scriptures from John 6 can be used and when teaching Baptism the various scriptural verses such as 1 Pet 3 can be used.

If I were tasked with teaching the faith, especially those not very knowledgeable, I would follow what the Popes teach and begin with the initial proclamation. That is, preach that God became man for our happiness and salvation. Our salvation is accomplished by His passion and death which fully and authentically liberates us from evil, sin and death. He came for our salvation which is liberation from sin or, in today’s language, to free us from our harmful/dangerous addictions which lead to misery, sickness, broken relationships and (often) premature death. When we are saved, i.e., freed from slavery to sin, we are then able to experience joy and happiness resulting from loving God and neighbor, something which is very difficult to do if one is not saved from the various addictions afflicting the human race. Again, scripture can be used to nourish and support this teaching. The angel told Joseph to name Him Jesus “…for he would save His people from their sins”. “He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed…”. “…even as the Son of man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." Those enslaved to sin, miserable and unhappy were purchased or ransomed from this slavery by His passion and death.

After hearing this initial proclamation some may want to hear more and that is when catechesis comes into play. As the CCC states catechesis is an education in the faith in an organic and systematic manner. Unless it is done this way very little in the understanding of the faith will make sense. The liberation from sin/addiction and resulting happiness by loving God and neighbor must be presented organically and systematically or else the Gospel will not make sense and one will not be strongly inclined to repent and be saved from his addictions.

The best way to catechize those interested in the faith or those already in the Church is to use the written summary of the oral word of God, either the Roman Catechism or preferably the CCC as it is newer. It has many references to scripture to support and nourish its teachings. It explains all of Jesus’ teachings, not only the few found in scripture, while also assisting in getting to know the person of Jesus better through both the catechism and scripture. But since the CCC is so big and many would feel overwhelmed by its size I would strongly suggest the use of the CCC’s Compendium. This publication is also without error as Pope Benedict XVI described it as “a faithful and sure synthesis of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.”, and it “contains, in concise form, all the essential and fundamental elements of the Church’s faith.” In other words it presents the Gospel which is the Catholic Faith in all its purity but simply in a shorter version. I would use the Compendium as primary and the Roman and CCC catechisms for support.

By using documents approved by the Popes one is sure of faithfully presenting the teachings of Jesus as He speaks through Peter, regardless of the age.
 
Therefore, we don’t need to know the Bible chapter & verse like the Protestants. What we need is to have ongoing Catechism classes so we know what’s expected of us & how to live our lives as Catholics, we don’t need Bible studies.
I disagree wholeheartedly. We will come in contact with Protestants our entire lives who do not recognize the catechism. Therefore, we must know how to give “a defense for the reason of the hope within us”, as St. Paul says.
 
We need to know the Bible because it is a gift given to us by God for our salvation. It is a love story from God.

Apologetics is a very poor reason for knowing the Bible. The Bible wasn’t inspired by the Holy Spirit for us as an apologetics resource. The entire purpose for the existence of the Bible is so that you might be saved.

-Tim-
 
We need to know the Bible because it is a gift given to us by God for our salvation. It is a love story from God.

Apologetics is a very poor reason for knowing the Bible. The Bible wasn’t inspired by the Holy Spirit for us as an apologetics resource. The entire purpose for the existence of the Bible is so that you might be saved.

-Tim-
Tim,
Saved from what?
Joe
 
Congratulations on spotting the #1 problem in the Church today and wanting to do something about it. Unfortunately seminarians are being taught that they must preach on the readings of the day which effectively leads to no catechesis being preached on Sunday but rather, in general, a running commentary on the readings. A priest may be very holy but if he is not taught what the Popes teach regarding preaching then the Church as a whole suffers.
Seminarians are taught this because that is what the General Instruction of the Roman Missal says:
  1. The homily is part of the Liturgy and is strongly recommended, for it is necessary for the nurturing of the Christian life. It should be an exposition of some aspect of the readings from Sacred Scripture or of another text from the Ordinary or from the Proper of the Mass of the day and should take into account both the mystery being celebrated and the particular needs of the listeners.
Mass is a participation in the Paschal Mystery, not a catechism class. Ideally, a priest would incorporate catechesis into his homily, but that is difficult to do in any sort of systematic way unless the priest were to ignore the liturgical calendar and read whatever Scripture readings he felt like reading.

Catechesis needs to happen, but we need to let the Mass be the Mass. I know it’s tempting because the homily is the one regular, unscripted opportunity for the priest to communicate to the largest portion of the parish. But that’s not what it is there for.
 
Wow! Finally, someone gets me! Thank you Joe Oberr, will you be my Spiritual Director, I’m serious. To everyone who took the time to reply to my posts, PLEASE read Joe Oberr’s reply.

God bless you Joe, I hope you are asked to speak at many conferences to educate us in our faith. I so hope you are a Priest or Deacon, doesn’t matter, you are truly blessed.

I know the Church is in better shape than in So. Cal., our Diocese isn’t very big so we don’t have the problems of priests having to serve at several parishes. Also, it isn’t easy to do anything here without going thru the Parish Council, they were hand picked by our last priest and nothing gets done unless you’re a “cronie”.

So we pray that our new Pastor will be more open to those of us who want to be involved in our paish .

Thank you all for your replies, please, do read Joe Oberr’s reply, it is beautiful.
 
Unfortunately seminarians are being taught that they must preach on the readings of the day
Yes… it’s so unfortunate that Catholics are being exposed to teaching on the Scriptures! Oh my, whatever will we do?!?!?!? :rolleyes:
which effectively leads to no catechesis being preached on Sunday
There is a catechetical aspect to homilies, but that isn’t their primary purpose. A Catholic homily is meant to bring together the readings of the day, the life situation of the congregation, and tie them into the sacrifice of the Eucharist.
A priest may be very holy but if he is not taught what the Popes teach regarding preaching then the Church as a whole suffers.
Seminarians are being taught what the Church asks homilies to be. If congregations do not know what that is – and therefore begin denigrating their priests – then the Church as a whole suffers. :sad_yes:
What I would definitely NOT do is attempt to teach the Catholic faith by primarily using a bible study or any other bible-centric venue.
Agreed – the Catechism, in its four pillars, doesn’t translate directly into a structure that fits a particular book (or books) of the Bible. Even less so does the Lectionary lend itself to a systematic teaching of the faith. So, a priest who wants to ensure that there’s a teaching component in his homilies has a few choices: he can look at the readings and pick a theme that might run through a few weeks, and then choose an appropriate catechetical theme that might be relevant; or, he can ‘cherry-pick’ and bring up catechetical themes as the readings serve them up to him; or he can decide to take up a theme of his own choosing and weave it into the homilies of a few weeks.

Here’s the problem, though: many priests serve in contexts in which they’re not celebrating the same Mass every week. It’s pretty hard to run a homily as a series if he’s at building A one Saturday but not the next, or early Mass one week and noon Mass the next.
These catechisms are written summaries of the oral word of God, received directly from Jesus, which is why we are under obligation to obey the teachings contained within.
You’re talking about dogma, and yes, catechisms contain dogma. However, they also contain doctrines, which are not necessarily explicitly found in the ‘oral word of God’.
 
I would be careful about saying too strongly that the Catechism is without error. There is no Catholic doctrine on the inerrancy of the Catechism (though there is such a teaching on the inerrancy of Scripture…it’s spelled out in the Catechism :)).

The Catechism is a synthesis of Catholic teaching. The contents are infallible and authoritative by virtue of their foundation in Scripture and magisterial documents (from popes and ecumenical councils), not by virtue of being in the Catechism. Each teaching in the Catechism carries only the authoritative weight of the primary source being referenced.

Not that I think there are any errors in the Catechism. I don’t.

This might seem like theological hair-splitting, but I think it’s an important point. Otherwise, we risk treating the Catechism as the Word of God. Divine Revelation (Scripture and Tradition) are without error. The Catechism isn’t Divine Revelation itself. It just articulates that Revelation in a systematic way.
 
Wow! Finally, someone gets me! Thank you Joe Oberr, will you be my Spiritual Director, I’m serious. To everyone who took the time to reply to my posts, PLEASE read Joe Oberr’s reply.

Thank you all for your replies, please, do read Joe Oberr’s reply, it is beautiful.
I was a religious for a few years while studying for the priesthood and am now a layman. I could possibly assist you in your spiritual journey though am not exactly sure how the communications would work out.
Joe
 
I think it’s important for modern Catholics to know the Bible. Without good knowledge, I feel like there’s a weakness to Protestant arguments and a feeling like the Church doesn’t have answers to Protestant objections. I’m not saying Catholics need to memorize verses, but I feel that good scripture study and advice on available resources should they have any questions would greatly serve the community.
 
Thank you, Joe. I’m just getting the hang of all this. I shall contact CAF to see how this 69 yr. old can finally get a really good Spiritual Director.

God Bless!
 
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