Catholics: (POLL) Do you accept evolution?

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I consider the statements of those Popes to be akin to Moses allowing divorce. Error can be forgiven if it is honest and if addressing the error would cause more harm than good. However, given the current state of the Church, i think it is evident they made a terrible miscalculation. This should have been nipped in the bud immediately.
Sure, you can claim to know more than the Pope, if you really want to admit that.
The poll means nothing. Dogma is not democratic.
Actually means a lot in terms of my goal: Clearly, people as yourself are in the small minority. Most Catholics, even on here, readily acknowledge that Catholics can accept evolution ---- even if they themselves do not.

So clearly most Catholics read the Popes’ words at face-value: It’s not complicated. You can accept evolution in principle. Glory to God.
 
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Did Pius know the Cubs would win the world series? Of course I know things he did not know.
So are you saying evolution is not a matter of faith?

Curious. That would suggest that, indeed, we CAN accept it!
 
Evolution is self evidently a matter of faith as it is the rejection of Christian dogma and the worship of nature.
 
Evolution is self evidently a matter of faith as it is the rejection of Christian dogma and the worship of nature.
Ah, so if this is true, then Popes have the capacity to speak on it

You refute yourself.

You can’t have it both ways, in your reasoning. If evolution is a matter of faith, then we should listen to the parameters the magisterium sets before us.
 
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If either the apostles or an angel in Heaven preaches a Gospel contrary to what was given, we are to reject it.
 
Evolution of the body is contrary to the Gospel?

“We are saved by Christ’s saving passion, death, and Resurrection, by the Charity given to us by God’s grace, and by the conviction that Earth was literally created in six days — Oh and that Eve was literally formed from Adam”
 
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Much to my distress, it seems that a particular bunch on these forums have gone so far as to say that evolution in itself — even of the human body — is AGAINST Catholic doctrine and the Bible.
Saint John Paul II gave a good answer in “Crossing the threshold of hope”.
 
But you also said Pope Francis was blasphemous. So TBH, your arguments and insights don’t mean much to me. I’d rather at least listen to and respond to @buffalo and @edwest211 who at least respect Francis, our Holy Fathers, and admit that there is SOME sense of evolution allowed by the faithful.
 
What it means is that we cannot reject the literal interpretation because it goes against what we currently “know” about science.
Again, you are stating your personal opinion as though it were dogma.

The Church allows us to accept evolution. They apparently did not ask your permission.
 
And as I keep saying, that is not a validly formulated question. It is formulated as a binary opposition statement. Leaving me no place to have an opinion.
 
Not to get sidetracked but how would you describe accusing Mary of being angry at God for “lying to [her]”? Because I would call that blasphemous.
and admit that there is SOME sense of evolution allowed by the faithful.
Only insofar as it does not contradict Scripture. I have said this repeatedly.
Again, you are stating your personal opinion as though it were dogma.
The absolute truth of Scripture is not my personal opinion and is, in fact, a dogma of the Church.
 
The absolute truth of Scripture is not my personal opinion and is, in fact, a dogma of the Church.
No, the Church says we can accept evolution. The fact that you don’t like it doesn’t make it magically untrue.
 
Evolution? Not the Biology textbook version. I’d cut out 90% of the nonsense and leave what little worthwhile material there is, so that young people won’t be led astray.
 
We can only reject the literal interpretation if the literal is against reason… I notice no one has addressed this:
You are correct. This is ignored and they go right to the allegory or other senses.
 
No, the Church says we can accept evolution.
No it does not. The Church says the question can be examined, but it does not say that a Catholic can reject Scripture because Scripture doesn’t fit in with evolution. Insofar as someone can come up with an evolutionary-theory that does not contradict Scripture, they are perfectly free to believe it (as long as it is not obviously false) but modern evolution as taught in school objectively contradicts Scripture.

Adam could not be a proto-human, as he must be of the same species as Jesus in order for the sacrifice of Jesus to have efficacy for the absolution of Adam’s sin. The nature assumed must be the same. Therefore the theories that suggest Adam was a proto-human but not a homo-sapien must be incorrect. However, evolutionary theory suggests that proto-humans and Neanderthals were creative, thinking, speaking, social creatures. This would mean they are the “true men before Adam” in which Pope Pius forbid belief. Otherwise we would have to believe that God created thinking, speaking, loving, creative beings but did not give them immortal souls, which means they were capable of seeking God, but were incapable of finding Him, and when they died they were annihilated. That is an abhorrent belief, and flies in the face of God’s Love, His Mercy, and His Justice. It borders on blasphemy to suggest a loving God would do such a thing. Not only is it directly contradictory to the Bible (that Adam was formed out of dust and Eve from the rib of Adam) but it is a disgusting assault on the dignity of Man, and an even more disgusting assault on the Nature of God.

As far as evolution of the animal (non-human) species goes, this is less troublesome, but still contradictory. God said that each animal would be brought forth “according to its kind”. What evolution of the species suggests is that one kind of animal can bring forth another kind of animal, and that we could go so far along this path that a single-celled organism could eventually bring forth a horse. Further, the evolution of the non-human species would call into question that physical and literal reality of Noah and the Flood. So it not only contradicts the actual written story, but the contradictions, like a disease, spread throughout the whole of Scripture. Very quickly everything becomes allegory and metaphor, and we no longer have an actual history of God and Man, but rather a confusing mess with no physical reality. The Flesh and Blood God becomes a series of abstract principles and allegories. We have to arbitrarily pick and choose where we decide to start taking things literally and where we decide it’s actually an allegory. Further it puts us into the habit of holding Scripture to the standard of outside evidence; effectively saying “I will only believe God is telling the truth if science confirms it”. Well science has yet to confirm almost anything in the Bible, and everything in the Bible can reasonably be seen as allegorical.
 
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