Catholics/Protestants, what is the best source to determine whether Jews accepted Apocrypha prior to Crucifixion?

[MarcoPolo]

Catholics/Protestants, what is your best source to determine whether Jews accepted or rejected as Divine the Deuterocanon/Apocrypha prior to the Crucifixion?

 

[prodromos]

Catholics/Protestants, what is your best source to determine whether Jews accepted or rejected as Divine the Deuterocanon/Apocrypha prior to the Crucifixion?

The Jews fell into a number of different categories who each had different Canons of scripture. There was never a single Canon which was accepted by all.
The fact that the Greek translation of the scriptures, the Septuagint, was used widely in the Jewish diaspora is proof enough that many of the Jews accepted the Deuterocanon (Deuterocanon is a Greek word which means quite simply “second canon”, just as Deuteronomy means “second law”)

My apologies for responding as I am neither Catholic (in the sense you mean) nor Protestant.

John

 

[1ke]

The Deuterocanon and the writings collectively called “apocryphal” writings are two different things.

So, please do not use these terms interchangeably. It is offensive to use the term “apocrypha” when you mean Deuterocanon.

 

[anthony022071]

Catholics/Protestants, what is your best source to determine whether Jews accepted or rejected as Divine the Deuterocanon/Apocrypha prior to the Crucifixion?

catholic-legate.com/dialogues/canonsept.html

catholic-legate.com/dialogues/otcanon-geisler.html

matt1618.freeyellow.com/deut.html#But%20Didn’t%20the%20Jews%20Decide%20the%20Canon?

matt1618.freeyellow.com/prophets.html

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FACT: 1 Timothy 3:15 calls the Church the “pillar and foundation of Truth.” Yet, Scripture alone is never called this; nor is Scripture ever considered authoritative when apart from the Church, which is guided by this same Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21 & 2:1-3).

So, now we’ve come full circle. In Matthew 23, Jesus proclaims that the scribes and Pharisees have the authority to teach and guide because they are the successors of Moses for the Jewish people; and that the Jews should “do and observe all the things whatsoever they tell you.”

One therefore must assume that this same authority was also possessed by those who held the “chair of Moses” before them – the ones who decided which Old Testament books were Divinely-inspired, etc.

So, it therefore follows that if the Jewish leaders who “held the chair of Moses” – leaders who didn’t even possess the Holy Spirit (as our bishops did and do) …If these Jewish leaders were Divinely-guided to define a canon of the Old Testament in c. 200 B.C. (the Septuagint), how much more so could the Catholic Christian bishops at Carthage in 397 A.D. count on the Spirit of Truth! >

 

[josephdaniel29]

Catholics/Protestants, what is your best source to determine whether Jews accepted or rejected as Divine the Deuterocanon/Apocrypha prior to the Crucifixion?

My question to you would be, what difference does it make? The Jews don’t accept the New Testament as divinely inspired and that doesn’t make a difference. Why not use the same measure with the dueterocanonical books we do with the New Testament, it’s approval by the Church?

 

[MarcoPolo]

So, please do not use these terms interchangeably. It is offensive to use the term “apocrypha” when you mean Deuterocanon.

I only used the term in case there are new Protestants here who don’t know what “Deuterocanon” means. No offense is intended.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

I Orthodox Catholic:

They celebrate Hanukkah, hard to do if you don’t have Maccabees.

The Talmud discusses the Wisdom of Sirach quite a bit I’m told.

The Septuagint, which includes them, was a Jewish document. I can’t remember what Philo of Alexandria had to say about them. The Talmud has the Septuagingt as the fullfillment that Japheth will live in Shem’s tents.

The Jewish canon was not fixed until Jamneh, which occured AFTER the Crucifixtion.

 

[MarcoPolo]

The Septuagint, which includes them, was a Jewish document.

I’ve heard Protestants contest this. What’s a good resource that the Septuagint included the Deuteros?

 

[Kaninchen]

The Jewish canon was not fixed until Jamneh, which occured AFTER the Crucifixtion.

Are you so sure about Jamnia?

 

[inthecloud]

The best thing to do is to actualy read Jewish scholars like Lawrence Schiffmann, Hershel Shanks, Daniel Coladenco.

First,stop taking about the Jews, Jews them were very divided in everything. Talk about Diaspora Jews, Pharisees, Saducees, Escenes, Samaritans, Zealots. All of them had different canons.
Yabne was the canon of the Pharisees that was set first by Hillel and was confirmed at Yabne.
The Pharisees rejected al books that were not written by the end of the Babylonian exile. That included the Deuterocanons and of course the NT books. The reason for doing that was pretty obvious. And them cheated including Maccabes and Esther books written around the time of the Maccabes. Yabne was just the confirmation of that policy,
Why the protestant give so many importance to the Pharisees opinion on Bible canon is beyond my reach. In that issue I support the Catholic/Coptic/Orthodox opinion.

 

[Chellow]

That’s only one branch of Jews that didn’t accept the Deuterocanonical books. Most of the Jews that accept the Deuterocanonical books became Christian. You can still find some Jews that have the Deuterocanonical books (cf. Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 6, p. 1147).

Ref: THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE