Catholics rebaptizing?

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NMJenny said:
What do you mean by “privately”, Br. Rich? The reason I ask, when I was received, on a Saturday morning, there were at least 20 people there, I was baptized conditionally, made my first Confession and then the priest said Mass and I received my First Communion. For some reason, and I didn’t ask why, I was not confirmed–that came several years later…
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I don’t know when that was or why the pastor may not have followed the normal rite. Anyone over the age of reason (about 7) is to be Confirmed and receive Holy Communion at the time thery are Baptized or received, Confirmation should not be separated from the three Sacraments of Initiation. Private conditional Baptism is usually on a Saturday morning with the minister, the person their Godparents and Sponsor if different. Mass is not celebrated and First Holy Communion should not be celebrated at the same time. Reception of a Candidate should be at a public Mass with the parish community present.
 
Br.Rich_SFO said:
These are all quotes from the FALSE gospel of the Mormon religion.
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Watch out for those angels of light. They get you everytime.

Yes, Tzusuki says that they still believe in the three personages. I hope they share that with the priest thinking of baptizing them, so they can apply extra scrutiny to the profession of the Nicene Creed.

On the OP:

I knew a couple who married, she was Orthodox, he was Latin. Her father told her to convert, and the Latin priest insisted that she would have to be baptized. She was upset about this, the “I believe in One Baptism…” The husband got into an argument with the priest, and ended up converting to Orthodoxy, by profession of faith it seems. This was the 1950’s.
 
Tsuzuki said:
The false gospel of the Mormon religion is still Trinitarian, as the above quotes indicate.
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No, it’s not. Mormons do not believe that Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is one Being but Three persons. You believe that God is made out of three distinct beings with one purpose. Mormons might call it trinity and their “Gospel” might suggest that, but we do not see their believes as trinitarian. To us their baptisim is in the name of three distinct God, you say it’s in the name of one God.
 
Tsuzuki said:
All my life I’ve believed that God was three persons in One. Whether that Oneness was in “being” or “doing” was of no concern to me…
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As Church history shows, it was of great concern to the Fathers at Nicea.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
I wasn’t so sure about this:

Was it a common practice before Vatican II to rebaptize (conditional baptism) of non-Catholics with trinitarian baptisms?
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Don’t know for sure but I know that it’s common in my parish if there is any question.
 
Tsuzuki said:
Did you not read the passages I quoted? It’s all spelled out up there.

All my life I’ve believed that God was three persons in One. Whether that Oneness was in “being” or “doing” was of no concern to me. What mattered was the fact that there was Unity. The words “three distinct beings” are used nowhere
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in LDS scripture (the correct term is “three distinct personages” or “persons”), and is merely an artifact of trying to explain the Mormon view to a Modalist audience. I’ve always thought of myself as a Mormon Trinitarian, and soon I will be a Catholic one.

Right. So if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, but you say it’s a fish, it’s a fish? Got it.

Actually, most Mormons don’t call it the Trinity because they’ve had the Trinity presented to them as Modalism. Mormons call it the Godhead, but it still walks like the Trinity and quacks like the Trinity. I guess it must be polytheism.The definitive Mormon doctrine is NOT trinitarian though, and that might be the issue in that case.

Now…that said…in your case if your pastor was certain that you understood that Trinitarian formula to mean the same thing that Catholics do then I suspect he would be okay with that since the intent of the one baptizing would in effect be the same as what the church intends when baptizing. Hopefully you discussed it with him.🤷
 
Tsuzuki said:
Did you not read the passages I quoted? It’s all spelled out up there.

All my life I’ve believed that God was three persons in One. Whether that Oneness was in “being” or “doing” was of no concern to me. What mattered was the fact that there was Unity. The words “three distinct beings” are used nowhere in LDS scripture (the correct term is “three distinct personages” or “persons”), and is merely an artifact of trying to explain the Mormon view to a Modalist audience. I’ve always thought of myself as a Mormon Trinitarian, and soon I will be a Catholic one.

Right. So if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, but you say it’s a fish, it’s a fish? Got it.

Actually, most Mormons don’t call it the Trinity because they’ve had the Trinity presented to them as Modalism. Mormons call it the Godhead, but it still walks like the Trinity and quacks like the Trinity. I guess it must be polytheism.
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You should discuss your misunderstanding of the Catholic understanding of the Trinity with your Sponsor, RCIA director and Pastor as soon as possible.
 
Br.Rich_SFO said:
These are all quotes from the FALSE gospel of the Mormon religion.
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Additionally problematic (as though the dubious origins of these writings weren’t it) is applying a certain heremeneutic of sola scriptura to these spurious writings to build support for an individuals understanding of what baptism meant therein.
 
Per the OP:

One thing to remember is that in times past concrete information and records of non-Catholic Baptisms were not readily available, especially to Catholic churches. Therefore there was a greater doubt concerning Baptisms. There is much more information available and therefore no need for conditional Baptisms.
 
Tsuzuki said:
Okay, so I’ll refer to my Catholic baptism as my “being” baptism, and my Mormon baptism as my “doing” baptism, but as there is no difference between “being” and “doing” in my mind, the two baptisms will in fact be one.
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I’m sorry, your mind doesn’t count.

Not if you want the mind of Christ, which is that of the Church.
 
Tsuzuki said:
There is no such thing as a definitive Mormon doctrine, because Mormonism isn’t a doctrine based religion, at least not in the way the most other religions are. Mormonism is more a body of laws that must be kept (doing) than a set of doctrines that must be subscribed to (being).

Oh, I’ll still be rebaptized. Mormon baptisms aren’t valid in the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church can do whatever it wants in that regard. My argument is merely that Mormonism is Trinitarian. I’m sure there are other reasons for denying the validity of Mormon baptisms. What those reasons are I may never know, but I respect the Church’s right to invent them.
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Invent?

Why, may I ask, are you becoming Catholic?

By your criteria, Hinduism is Trinitarian.
 
Tsuzuki said:
Okay, so I’ll refer to my Catholic baptism as my “being” baptism, and my Mormon baptism as my “doing” baptism, but as there is no difference between “being” and “doing” in my mind, the two baptisms will in fact be one.
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There is no such possibility as TWO Baptisms, There is ONE and only one Christian Baptism… Christian Baptism cannot be repeated.
 
I would wager that there are at least a few people out there who were baptized invalidly by some Catholic priest or a minister of a mainline denomination because, in a fit of political correctness, they changed the formula to “in the name of the creator, redeemer and sanctifier.” These should all be re-baptized too - rather baptized for the first time.
 
quasimodo said:
I would wager that there are at least a few people out there who were baptized invalidly by some Catholic priest or a minister of a mainline denomination because, in a fit of political correctness, they changed the formula to “in the name of the creator, redeemer and sanctifier.” These should all be re-baptized too - rather baptized for the first time.
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That would be correct. If one would discover that, they should speak with their pastor ASAP.
 
Tsuzuki said:
I don’t believe in the Mormon “Great Apostasy” theory, so it was the natural choice.

Does Hinduism worship the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as One God?
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No they don’t, Hinduism accepts other gods.
 
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