Catholics regard Muhammad as a prophet??

[R_not]

Another cute little quote from the koran:

'Take them* and kill them whenever you find them. Behold we have delivered them unto your hands and given you su"

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*them = infidels

Daniel49

Yeah, I know. As for the mosques - the people have to fight those from being built. It seems no one cares - or at least very few people care enough to stop them. And once they get their sights on a mosque to be built they are relentless in their quest.

One guy made his land (he had acreage) into a pig farm - some guy in a different state than yours and I really don’t remember the details. He was on Fox news.

Anyway, what you need to do is prepare yourself for their excuses of such verses if you plan on letting others know.

Some famous excuses:

• you are taking it out of context.
  ANSWER: if the verses are out of context that means allah’s word is not eternal or doesn’t apply over time. It is only a god for the time of mohammed
• you are bashing islam
  ANSWER: It is your own texts that say that.
• you are misunderstanding or misinterpreting those verses
  ANSWER: study up on jihad and not only can you apply the verses to the past 1400 years, but also to today. (Geert Wilders - he is a good source - his speeches to his parliament are good for many of these things. That series of videos also has some good come backs to all these excuses that muslims give. And they are coming from the perspective of being muslims and knowing what it is all about.

I don’t really have any permanent answers. That is why I joined a group - Act for America. I have been on email/letter writing campaigns in my little group. Other groups are more well known for their actions about mosques teaching hatred, schools and the texts and Universities and the MSA. All muslim organizations have ties to the muslim brotherhood and support hamas. And what I notice is that if one become notorious they just regroup into another organization, get a different leader and start all over again.

islam is eternal jihad with 97% of jihad being the violent kind in the koran and hadiths, 3% is ‘other’ which includes an inner struggle. We can never go back to ‘sleep’ again.

 

[imasinner]

dzhereme, Please see what the sinner had written about our prophet. I called him/her a fanatic. I hope you are not blind. Please see:

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** dzhereme, I did not call you a fanatic. That sinner is a fanatic. Or you give the decision in such cases?. Is that teaching Catholicism? That is abusing others is the basic Catholic principle. Nobody need to believe that Muhammad is a prophet of God. But nobody should abuse him. Similarly I am free not to believe that Jesus is a god or son of God.

I had to write all this because you had commented unfavorably on my post about the fanatic.

dzhereme, I feel that you would allow the abuse of Muhammad on this forum. But you would not tolerate abuse of Jesus. Is that so?. What kind of a person are you? You let me know about it please otherwise we need not pay any attention to whatever you say in future.**

Planten, you seriously need to relax. You are the fanatic here not me. My statement about Mohammad that you have such an issue with is ie “…UNREPENTANT paedophile, rapist and mass-murderer…” is not news to you so why take it personally? Mo is just like you and me , a sinner in need of God’s mercy. If you love Mo as you claim you do than you need to understand that he probably needs your prayers more than he needs you to defend his good name.

However, my statement was not completely true. I don’t know if Mo was UNREPENTANT or not.

NB: Your claim to love Jesus and Mary is really hollow when you use Jesus as a butt of your jokes when addressing Christian belief.
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[theprune]

Great Question. My wife and her parents lived in Saudi for two years and we discuss Islam a bit. My thoughts: Muhammad was a general. He killed his enemies… Jesus was a carpenter who loved and prayed for his enemies. Islamic heroes include Ayatollah Komani and Osama Bin Laden. Christian heroes include Mother Theresa and Padre Pio. Muhammad gave us Sharia Law. Jesus gave us the Beatitudes.

I think the question can be answered that both are prophets. Muhammad is the prophet of a god of harsh rules and a severe punitive justice. Jesus is The Prophet and Son of the God of Love Who grants mercy and forgiveness.

Today many followers of Islam still kill their enemies. Hopefully the followers of Jesus still love and pray for their enemies.

I have a friend who converted from Islam. It is not such a huge leap. They also value family, chastity, temperance, loyalty.

The book, “How the Irish Saved Civilization,” is an account of Saint Patrick’s life including him going up against the Druids with patience and determination. Their religion slowly receded. Christianity filled the void.

Moses had the blood of a lamb spread on the doorways of his followers to protect them from the death that killed firstborn Egyptians. We have the blood of a Lamb which is infinitely more powerful.

Prayer to all,
theprune

 

[Aydan]

Edwin,
Christ calls us to spread the gospel to those who don’t know Jesus how can we teach others about Jesus if we don’t understand their belief system? Perhaps you should read some of the conversions stories of former Muslims who have now converted to Christianity you will find almost all of them have single common thread which is that someone reached out to them and introduced them to Christianity. But if you don’t understand Islam how can you tell Muslims about Jesus Christ? What will you say if you are standing before Jesus on the day of judgment and he asked you why you did not spread his word. Will your answer be that you didn’t think knowing about Islam or Muslims was worthwhile? As for former Catholics they can say whatever they please about Catholicism because you can bet that I will not let their perversions about Catholicism go unchallenged I know my faith and I will let them know what the church really teaches I’m not afraid to speak the truth!

And former Catholics will say the same sorts of things about Catholicism. Do you find them equally worthwhile?

Edwin

 

[planten]

Some more cute little quotes from the koran:

Sura 2:187-189 “And kill them* wherever ye shall find them, and eject them* from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels…Fight therefore against them until there be no more civil discord, and the only worship be that of God: but if they desist, then let there be no hostility, save against the wicked.”

2:190-292 “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.”

Sura 4:89 “seize them* and slay them* wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

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*them = infidels

Daniel49

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What a nice religion! I do not seem to remember any such tone in the New Testament, do you?

**daniel, we will come to your testament. First you should give correct reference of the verses of Quran. Your ref. is not correct. Morover, these verses are very clear and based on justice. These are telling to fight those who fight you. Kill those who kill you. Quite natural. You want an un-natural life.

Elsewhere it is advised that forgive those who have transgressed against you (Muslims) if the forgiveness helps the infidel. That is also a good natural advice.

You have no guidance in your bibleNT. Don’t run after Quran, i…e. the Last Testament. Rather you should show something good from your book if there is anything good in that book. All the universal truths are now to be found in the Quran only. That is, all the good teachings of the previous scriptures are included in the Quran. Therefore, there is no need to read the old scriptures.

But you can keep on your ways without prejudice to the Last Testament i.e. Quran.**

 

[Aydan]

Yes i tried to download it. It saved perfectly fine. If you want i can send the link of the video program so you can saved yourself from viewing all those pesky comments made by muslims in that video.

Sorry I did not notice this post until just now. It would be great if you would post the link so that anyone here who is interested can download them for future reference. The only downside to this entire series the host is very anti-Catholic which is why I will not purchase the show. I disagree with how the brothers characterized the Catholic Church but still even with this typical Baptist potshot I thought all of the other information was too important to ignore. I’m glad you liked the videos I hope you enjoyed them as much as I have.

 

[Aydan]

**daniel, we will come to your testament. First you should give correct reference of the verses of Quran. Your ref. is not correct. Morover, these verses are very clear and based on justice. These are telling to fight those who fight you. Kill those who kill you. Quite natural. You want an un-natural life.

Elsewhere it is advised that forgive those who have transgressed against you (Muslims) if the forgiveness helps the infidel. That is also a good natural advice.

You have no guidance in your bibleNT. Don’t run after Quran, i…e. the Last Testament. Rather you should show something good from your book if there is anything good in that book. All the universal truths are now to be found in the Quran only. That is, all the good teachings of the previous scriptures are included in the Quran. Therefore, there is no need to read the old scriptures.

But you can keep on your ways without prejudice to the Last Testament i.e. Quran.**

You’re not Christian so you really don’t have any ability to sit there and tell Christians what they do and do not know about the Bible how would you know? Have you even read the Bible or the New Testament?

 

[cathopologist]

What is planten’s secret colour code?

Sometimes he replies in pale blue, sometimes in brown, sometimes in black

Why?

I think the different colours expresses his different moods when replying.

 

[dzheremi]

Hahaha. I had missed the reply from Planten to me quoted in post #202. Excuse me while I continue to miss it…

 

[imasinner]

Hahaha. I had missed the reply from Planten to me quoted in post #202. Excuse me while I continue to miss it…

Well, I’m glad you had a chuckle over it . You deserve it, I admire anyone who has the patience to answer Planten’s drivil civilly.

 

[Daniel49]

Quoting Planten:

“All the universal truths are now to be found in the Quran only.”

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Uh, huh - - - it is really funny watching you try to defend the indefensible - - -

the more that you try to say, the more ridiculous you come across - - - u r totally wacky! So, just keep on spewing out the nonsense. It really is laughable.

Daniel49

 

[Charlotte2008]

** Which evil man? Saul or paul of Tarsus? If You did not have any sensible reply to my points then you could have kept quiet. I will say again that Muhammad did not kill any one and he did not spread his religion by sword.
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Well, I do not believe you have read your hadiths or the quran yourself so will post a passage from it for you:-

mohammed said himself: “I have been made victorious with terror". [Bukhari: 4.52. 220]

Do you still claim he is a peaceful man?

Please stop listening to imams and scholars and think for yourself.

 

[Charlotte2008]

You’re not Christian so you really don’t have any ability to sit there and tell Christians what they do and do not know about the Bible how would you know? Have you even read the Bible or the New Testament?

**He only reads the gospels - he said that yesterday. That is probably all they are permitted to read by their hate preachers. They have to compare them to the quran to cling to their faith that mo was a prophet and not a violent paedophile mass murderer. The brainwashing might wear off if they study it too much.
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[planten]

**He only reads the gospels - he said that yesterday. That is probably all they are permitted to read by their hate preachers. They have to compare them to the quran to cling to their faith that mo was a prophet and not a violent paedophile mass murderer. The brainwashing might wear off if they study it too much.
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**charlo. do you think that the four gospels are useless?. Is there some contradiction in some parts of the bible? I am sure you would like to lead me to the writings of Saul of Tarsus. In the same way you would like to run to Hadith instead of Quran.

I give priority to four gospels over the works of the enemy of Jesus, the killer of Jesus followers. He was killer and he killed many good innocent people.

I give priority to Quran over Hadith. If you think (even though you are wrong) that you want to keep away from any killer then keep away from Saul of Tarsus. Because he was a sure killer as written in your bible. It is not written in Quran or bible that Muhammad was any killer.**

 

[Charlotte2008]

**charlo. do you think that the four gospels are useless?. Is there some contradiction in some parts of the bible? I am sure you would like to lead me to the writings of Saul of Tarsus. In the same way you would like to run to Hadith instead of Quran.

I give priority to four gospels over the works of the enemy of Jesus, the killer of Jesus followers. He was killer and he killed many good innocent people.

I give priority to Quran over Hadith. If you think (even though you are wrong) that you want to keep away from any killer then keep away from Saul of Tarsus. Because he was a sure killer as written in your bible. It is not written in Quran or bible that Muhammad was any killer.**

**And why do you not have the courtesy to spell out my entire name considering it is actually MY name. Is yours Planten - I doubt it.

I am not getting into your daily Bible bashing arguments because it is getting boring and is totally off topic. Please read the entire Bible for yourself instead of listening to mullah/imam propaganda.
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[Daniel49]

Planten:

Do you renounce Islamic terrorism which is presently being wrought throughout the world? Are you willing to apologize for what your comrads in arms did to the United States on 9-11? Are you working hard to prevent future Islamic terrorism from occurring because of your innate concern for the sanctity of all human life? Will you condem Hamas right here on this forum concerning their actions of arbitrarily chucking missles into population centers in Israel from Gaza? And, if you are working hard to prevent future Islamic terrorism from occurring, please describe your action plan.

Thanks in advance for your answers to my questions.

Daniel49

 

[planten]

Well, I do not believe you have read your hadiths or the quran yourself so will post a passage from it for you:-

mohammed said himself: “I have been made victorious with terror". [Bukhari: 4.52. 220]

Do you still claim he is a peaceful man?

Please stop listening to imams and scholars and think for yourself.

**Yes, charlo, there seems to be a hadith in which the prophet said " I have been given special Glory such that the enemy gets afraid of me at a distance of one month travel." This word “Glory” I could not translate properly into English. The Hadith in Arabic is as follows:

“Nusirtu Bir Ru’ab i maseerat a Shahrin.” I have been given such Glory of Power (Might) that the enemy gets frightened of me at a distance of one months travel."
(Bukhari Kitaab as Salaat.)**

 

[Daniel49]

Planten,

I will take that as a “no” which sums up the situation quite effectively.

Daniel49

 

[planten]

Planten:

Do you renounce Islamic terrorism which is presently being wrought throughout the world? Are you willing to apologize for what your comrads in arms did to the United States on 9-11? Are you working hard to prevent future Islamic terrorism from occurring because of your innate concern for the sanctity of all human life? Will you condem Hamas right here on this forum concerning their actions of arbitrarily chucking missles into population centers in Israel from Gaza? And, if you are working hard to prevent future Islamic terrorism from occurring, please describe your action plan.

Thanks in advance for your answers to my questions.

Daniel49

**Daniel, I do not support any terrorist attacks on peaceful public. I do not support any politics or political struggle in a peaceful country to achieve some ends by the use of weapons.

There are Muslims living in Western countries. They should live there very peacefully even if they have some difficulties. As long as they are allowed to perform their prayers and attend to their religous rites freely, they should not object or demand anything.

Briefly, I can say that if the Muslims (any where in the world) are allowed religious freedom (to follow and practice their faith and even preach their faith freely) they should never take up any arms of any kind.

All the more, they should serve the country faithfully, very faithfully, honestly and peacefully. If they do not do that then it would be a sin on their part.

I am against all forms of propagation of faiths by any religion by weapons. Also I am against oppressing the people of any faith by mass movements ( by the large majority) such as some time is done in India to the Catholics, just because Hindus are more in number there.

I hope it is enough. But if there is any more question, I will reply. I am writing this because it is the True Islam. I am afraid that the Catholics here are supportng the terrorists by saying that Islam calls for Jihaad and war with weapons against all unbelievers. That is not true. There is not to be any religous oppression of any faith. Rather, every one should help and play and love the people of other faiths.

I will post next time to indicate where the Muslism went wrong.**

 

[planten]

Planten:

Do you renounce Islamic terrorism which is presently being wrought throughout the world? Are you willing to apologize for what your comrads in arms did to the United States on 9-11? Are you working hard to prevent future Islamic terrorism from occurring because of your innate concern for the sanctity of all human life? Will you condem Hamas right here on this forum concerning their actions of arbitrarily chucking missles into population centers in Israel from Gaza? And, if you are working hard to prevent future Islamic terrorism from occurring, please describe your action plan.

Thanks in advance for your answers to my questions.

Daniel49

**Daniel, I have already replied to your post without reading all your post. Now that I checked, it contains so may more direct questions. I hope ther eis no need to opologise for the acts of 9/11 because I do not know the exact nature of that incident.

I cannot work very hard to prevent terrorism except that I am preaching against it sincerely. Working very hard would mean that I take up arms to stop the terrorism. That is no from me.

I renounce all types of terrorism, the Islamic, The Nazi, the Hindu terrorism and may be quite a few more types. I believe in the sanctity of human life. If any Hindu or a Catholic or a Jew is in trouble, I would do my utmost to help him/her to save his/her life by all means at my disposal.

About Hamas and their activity, I know nothing, what they are doing, why they are doing. Who is at fault. I do not support Hamas with their war effort. But I may be willing to help them with water and food stuff for survival on the humanitrian ground. Not to help them with their weapons or fighting material. that is none of my business.

I do not know if I have replied rihtly. Some of my ideas may be bad. I am not perfect. But I am peaceful for the decent, peaceful people.**