"Catholics Reject John Chapter Three"

[crazzeto]

What if you could forget your books, and live in a place without books? Would you then seek God?

Ummm, well the book we’re talking about happens to be the (written) inspired word of God. I would suggest that book is worth not forgetting. With regard to seeking God, I would suggest that book is a good place to start. But I would also suggest that since Christ setup the sacraments, in a specific way, then if you want to personally interact with God the best way to do so is through them.

With regard to Miricles (generally adding to an unquoted post). I to have experienced miricles in my life. It is the miricle of God guiding my mentally ill and dependant (i.e. drug/alch) right where he needed to be to seek treatment or rather… Be forced in to treatment. My brother has his struggles still but he’s doing much better and I thank God every day for this. In fact in large part it was percisly this which brought me back (with avengance) to the Church Christ Jesus set up him self.

So anyone who says miricles will change your life, yes they will I agree entirly.

 

[krakee]

I do not look to find a pope. In this life it is wise to recognize the value of your own experiences, this is all you have really.

So basically you become your OWN pope.

 

[Cbailey2]

Well, Jesus had said that a small amount of faith can bring about a great miracle, but he has called to those who would know him to a miracle which requires great faith.

You must move God to move you.

Go with god…

I know God through my own experiences. I have never needed to search though any books to find God, I was ten years old when I was born the second time, and had never read any bible. God was there the bible wasn’t. Books won’t save you…

I’m sorry but how do you have any idea as to what Jesus said? Did he tell you himself? Or did you need a book for that? (Because if you needed a book to know what Christ said, and Christ’s teachings are necessary for salvation, then knowing what is in that book is necessary for salvation).

I’m assuming, based on your comments, you had no need for a book to know what God said, what Jesus said, or what Moses said, or really any of it. That places you in a very unique category in human history. If you do not wish to obey the commands of your Lord, how good a servant does that make you?

Christ walked the earth almost 2000 years ago - He taught His apostles and instructed them to pass on the faith (and how to go about the faith). Protestants believe that His word is preserved only in written form - Catholics believe that His word is preserved in both an oral tradition and a written one (both going hand in hand, neither contradicting).

You seem to believe that Christ passed his teaching on to you directly, with no need for a medium for message (neither book nor man). You do realize that if that’s the case, your view goes against everything that the people who actually knew Christ wrote.

 

[Cbailey2]

So basically you become your OWN pope.

I couldn’t have put it better myself Krakee. With millions of self-popes running around, it’s miraculous that God’s universal truth is preserved on this earth at all.

 

[Ginger2]

Well, I know people who have believed in God because of very small miracles. …

John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

 

[Nathan_Wagar]

All I’m saying, geometer, is tread softly. Making a spiritual/psychic contact of some kind into a prerequisite for being “born from above” is not only fallacious, it’s endangering your soul, and the souls of others.

 

[geometer]

All I’m saying, geometer, is tread softly. Making a spiritual/psychic contact of some kind into a prerequisite for being “born from above” is not only fallacious, it’s endangering your soul, and the souls of others.

Sorry I do not follow what you have said. What I have said does not involve danger, although it may well get you out from a dangerous situation one day if you can trust God when that time comes.

The bible warns us about people who have a form of godliness but deny his power.

There is too much of that today…

 

[geometer]

John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

That is all that I mean to say by reporting my experience. Jesus descended into the room born from Gods spirit, and that is his gospel that you can be reborn in the same way.

“He who has been born of God has overcome the world.”

 

[Zundrah]

The above was stated in a thread on another topic by one of our forum members, and instead of derailing the thread, I thought I’d start one here to see if our wonderful Catholic members could refute him.

The topic was taking Scripture out of context, in which this member replied:

…in which I replied:

There’s more, but I want to get to the gist of the topic of this thread: Do Catholics reject John 3 - IOW, do we focus on particulars of this chapter as prime proof-text of the Sacrament of Baptism - or do we consider all of this chapter as declarations of the Truth?

I say we do and this text IS about Baptism along with rebirth into new life…but our friend feels otherwise

Tonks, since I was baptised (13th July 2008) I have felt the beautiful presence of the Holy Spirit in my life… so much in me has changed.

 

[crazzeto]

Sorry I do not follow what you have said. What I have said does not involve danger, although it may well get you out from a dangerous situation one day if you can trust God when that time comes.

The bible warns us about people who have a form of godliness but deny his power.

There is too much of that today…

Ok, but I think we have to consider the senario of what’s more likely. So what is more likely? That your story of being assumed and returned is true (sort of like Muhammad) and that this is how we Christians are “born of the spirit” (even though you’re the only one I know of who claims this).

Or that you’re just disastrously mis-reading Sacrade Scripture?

Honestly I think you’re the only person I know of who places no importance on the Sacrament of Baptism.

 

[EdOsiecki]

In response to Ginger Nathan Wagar
Throughout you posts, like it or not, you are dividing water baptism from the Holy Spirit. You are stating that the belief is what makes you partake in the cross. No, the belief is what makes you get baptized, the water infuses you with the Holy Spirit WON for you on the cross. This is why in the case of infants, the belief of the parents and the Church substitutes, and the Holy Spirit is still infused through the water.

Nathan show me the Scripture where it states that the water infuses you with the Holy Spirit ED O.

 

[geometer]

Ok, but I think we have to consider the senario of what’s more likely. So what is more likely? That your story of being assumed and returned is true (sort of like Muhammad) and that this is how we Christians are “born of the spirit” (even though you’re the only one I know of who claims this).

Or that you’re just disastrously mis-reading Sacrade Scripture?

Honestly I think you’re the only person I know of who places no importance on the Sacrament of Baptism.

Well, you need not be so desperate to find something more likely than the experience that I had. Think of my experience as a spiritual experiment, that you need to verify, by doing your own experiment. If you can do it, you will then know.

What you want to promote is the idea that you can not know the truth of what happen to me. Jesus said blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.

 

[Zundrah]

Well, you need not be so desperate to find something more likely than the experience that I had. Think of my experience as a spiritual experiment, that you need to verify, by doing your own experiment. If you can do it, you will then know.

What you want to promote is the idea that you can not know the truth of what happen to me. Jesus said blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.

Are you catholic?

 

[geometer]

Are you catholic?

Why do you ask?

 

[Zundrah]

Why do you ask?

You religious title says theosopher, that means one who loves God, doesn’t it?

 

[geometer]

You religious title says theosopher, that means one who loves God, doesn’t it?

Lover of god is Theophilus. Theosopher means one who receives wisdom from god.

 

[Zundrah]

Lover of god is Theophilus. Theosopher means one who receives wisdom from god.

…So you think you are a prophet? Are you christian in any way?

 

[geometer]

…So you think you are a prophet? Are you christian in any way?

Prophecy comes from god. If your interested, contact god. I believe that I have benefited from knowing what Jesus did and what he taught, all others pay cash, as they say…

 

[Zundrah]

Prophecy comes from god. If your interested, contact god. I believe that I have benefited from knowing what Jesus did and what he taught, all others pay cash, as they say…

He he, do you go to church? Have you ever been to church?

 

[crazzeto]

Prophecy comes from god. If your interested, contact god. I believe that I have benefited from knowing what Jesus did and what he taught, all others pay cash, as they say…

So you claim to be a prophit? And do you know why God changed his mind about Christ Jesus being his last Prophit? And what of scriptual warnings of false prophits?