Catholics supporting Illegals

[redhen]

Yup, seems we’re the minority. I worked in Arizona the last 7 years, and illegal immigration and the assorted problems are huge there.
Coyotes (human smugglers) exchanging gun fire on the I-10 in Phoenix, it’s just incredible unless you’re lived there.

Thanks for drawing attention to the distinction between Jews hiding from the Nazis and economic migrants. Remittances from migrants back to Mexico is that country’s 2nd largest source of revenue, right after oil exports.

Mexico needs to get it’s own house in order, instead of printing out maps and Howto guides for illegals to get across the U.S. border.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

You’re the one making that claim, the onus is on you to provide the supporting numbers.

No problem.

5% Canadian
5% European (frankly I suspect that is low most the illegals I know are Polish))
10% Asian (also I suspect a low number)
57% Mexican
23% Central and South American other than Mexican.

The Mexican, Central and SA illegals get all the press because they are obvious. If you find Asians or Europeans (even non-English speaking individuals) the first thought in your mind is not “Illegal Alien”, it’s tourist. As I said I have met many illegal aliens here in Chicago and the majority have been Polish, not Hispanic.

 

[redhen]

57% Mexican
23% Central and South American other than Mexican.

So that’s 80% of the illegal population. What part of my claim did you think was racist then? The term Latino or Spanish speaking?

Would it be better if I included Portuguese, to cover the South Americans?

 

[Marsha_Adams]

57% Mexican
23% Central and South American other than Mexican.

So that’s 80% of the illegal population. What part of my claim did you think was racist then? The term Latino or Spanish speaking?

The whole comment smacked of racism. Poor persecuted white person, the Hispanics get allllllllll the breaks.

 

[TMC]

My problem is when they root themselves into the system, they being to force whole towns to obey the will of the invader. My town is now 80% hispanic and I just ran across this resolution that my town passed last month. The website of a group that received funds from the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (Interfaith Leadership Project) has this on the website under “accomplishments”. The organization is a front for helping the groups invading the US.

I checked our towns website and I can find only a brief reference to the resolution being passed last month but it didn’t go in to details about the laws. Like they didn’t want anyone other than the foreigners to know about this.

Here it is:

Cicero** Safe Space Resolution**
On November 12, 2008, President Dominick and the Cicero Town Council enacted the Safe Space Resolution for Cicero. The resolution developed from the efforts of the Interfaith Leadership Project and the Latino Union of Chicago to increase protections and counter the fear rippling through immigrant communities.The main provisions of the resolution state:

• City agents shall not enforce federal immigration laws.
• No City agents, including Police, shall use monies, resources, or staff to detect or apprehend people for civil immigration violations.
• Cicero will not lend space, vehicles, or resources to federal immigration agents for enforcement of federal immigration laws.
• City agents will not identify individuals for legal scrutiny based on their country of origin, religion, ethnicity or immigration status.
• No Town of Cicero employee will inquire into the citizenship, residency, or immigration status of any person.
• Information about an individual’s residency status shall not be maintained or recorded, except as required by law.
• No city services or public safety services will be denied on the basis of citizenship, except as required by federal or state law.
• The presentation of a foreign passport or matricula consular will be accepted as proof of identity.
• Complaints of violation of this resolution will be investigated by the Cicero Police Office of Internal Affairs and/or the Inspector General.
• The Town of Cicero will meet annually with the Interfaith Leadership Project and the Latino Union of Chicago to discuss complaints filed and actions taken by the Town to investigate and address the complaints.
  If you want further information or have a concern, please contact the Interfaith Leadership Project at 708-652-7711.

That effectively protects the invading “immigrant” within the town limits. It is interesting to note that this town receives tremendous amounts of federal aid and the town has used part of that aid to build a huge town complex among other things.

The schools also receive most of their funding (74.5%) from the US taxpayer and not from local taxes.

Here is the website of the organization in question:

interfaithleadership.net/accomplishments.html

Here is the website to show you the CCHD 2008 report that lists that organization:

archchicago.org/departments/peace_and_justice/pdf/cchd/2008/CCHD_AnnualReport_2008.pdf

If this doesn’t stop, we won’t have an American legal system and American justice will just be a memory for senoir citizens.

My county doesn’t call itself a “safe space” but it doesn’t try to enforce federal immigration laws either, although there is some pressure for it to do so. I’m glad they don’t for a very practical reasons - the sheriff has enough to do enforcing state laws and county ordinances. ICE seems to have plenty of resources of their own. The county does give ICE a chance to pick up anyone they have in lock-up before they release them, but they do the same for the FBI.

As far as the priest having some duty to report, I don’t think he does. In America freedom has always included the freedom to mind one’s own business. Forcing people to report on one another is something I associate with oppressive regimes, not with our system.

 

[catharina]

As far as the priest having some duty to report, I don’t think he does. In America freedom has always included the freedom to mind one’s own business. Forcing people to report on one another is something I associate with oppressive regimes, not with our system.

**I agree completely with this view. **
However we do have an obligation to practice the works of mercy!

 

[maggiemay2u]

No problem.

5% Canadian
5% European (frankly I suspect that is low most the illegals I know are Polish))
10% Asian (also I suspect a low number)
57% Mexican
23% Central and South American other than Mexican.

The Mexican, Central and SA illegals get all the press because they are obvious. If you find Asians or Europeans (even non-English speaking individuals) the first thought in your mind is not “Illegal Alien”, it’s tourist. As I said I have met many illegal aliens here in Chicago and the majority have been Polish, not Hispanic.

80%, yeah, that would seem to be obvious…uneducated, fearful of assimilation, and sadly in far too many cases, with an intent to commit crimes and terrorize the public. I believe in California at least 17% of those in prison are illegal aliens.

Please note very few felons make it to prison after their first, second or even fifth arrest. Unless it is deemed a violent felony, probation is pretty much a given. At an annual cost of 1.2 billion a year to prisons (fas.org/irp/gao/ggd97015.htm) that’s a nice hunk of change that isn’t going to schools or social services, or geewilikers, paying down the state debt. Then there’s the jail, court, drug diversion costs, not to mention assisted housing and probation costs.

More than any of this, however, is the cost to the victims of the crimes. It appears unreasonable to me to seek protection for the predators and forget those who have lost lives, property and dignity.

 

[siamesecat]

so, if I read the replies correctly, catholics are under no obligation, moral or civic, to support the laws of this country,

I don’t think anyone who lives by a religion should feel obligated to support laws that are contrary to the religious teaching…if they were, what’s the point of being religious?

 

[maggiemay2u]

My county doesn’t call itself a “safe space” but it doesn’t try to enforce federal immigration laws either, although there is some pressure for it to do so. I’m glad they don’t for a very practical reasons - the sheriff has enough to do enforcing state laws and county ordinances. ICE seems to have plenty of resources of their own. The county does give ICE a chance to pick up anyone they have in lock-up before they release them, but they do the same for the FBI.
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As far as the priest having some duty to report, I don’t think he does. ** In America freedom has always included the freedom to mind one’s own business. Forcing people to report on one another is something I associate with oppressive regimes, not with our system.

Once upon a time, bishops and others in authority weren’t required to report employees suspected of crimes against children/molestation. That didn’t work out too well for any of us…

I have served in various outreaches where we distributed food and clothing without asking for country of origin, so I’m definitely part of the problem. I have also witnessed the damage done to all levels of society by our failure to humanely address the problem. One in 4 children in California cannot speak fluent English, of that number 85% are SS only, a significant number are special needs students. migration.ucdavis.edu/MN/more.php?id=1245_0_2_0

That means in practical terms, the teachers time is being taken up explaining every thing twice, which, as a natural result, means there is less new material being introduced and taught. The damage is huge. California has gone from being the leader in US education to being something like 46th or 47th, despite large per child expenditures. Obviously, the education failure is not solely the fault of illegal immigrants, neither is the prison debacle, but they are both parts of a larger puzzle, where resources are diverted in staggering amounts.

 

[Bullfighter]

The U.S. has been invading other countries for centuries. Did you know that there isn’t a single country in the Western Hemisphere that the U.S. hasn’t invaded at least once?

Even our presence on this continent is the result of an invasion, the French invaded the north, the English and Dutch invaded the east, the Spanish and Portugese invaded the south and the asians invaded the west by way of the Bering Straits.

Yesterday we celebrated the Feast of the Holy Family, who by the way probably qualify as illegal aliens since they invaded Egypt.

The United States has merely 5% of the world’s population, but we use 30% of the world’s natural resources and we create 30% of the world’s waste and 99% of the “goods” we buy end up in the trash after a mere 6 months. But we have the bald faced nerve to say to people coming here hoping and praying for a better life that they can’t because we don’t have room, because they cost us too much, because they effect our economy badly? What is wrong with this picture?

OK Let us use our history books!

How many times in the 20th Century has Mexico helped us in war?

Let’s see…NEVER!!!..Not once!!!

What about other Latin American coutries?

Brazil sent 25,000 troops to the Italian Campaign in WW2.

Puerto Rico has enlisted men to serve in the American military in all of the conflicts of the USA during the 20th Century.

Columbia sent troops to Korea

but Mexico? After all the aid we have given them for decades.

NOTHING-------NO HELP---------But they always have their hands out. That’s why their population has quadrupled in the last 60 years. I guess they don’t need help when it comes to that.

 

[Bullfighter]

My county doesn’t call itself a “safe space” but it doesn’t try to enforce federal immigration laws either, although there is some pressure for it to do so. I’m glad they don’t for a very practical reasons - the sheriff has enough to do enforcing state laws and county ordinances. ICE seems to have plenty of resources of their own. The county does give ICE a chance to pick up anyone they have in lock-up before they release them, but they do the same for the FBI.

As far as the priest having some duty to report, I don’t think he does. In America freedom has always included the freedom to mind one’s own business. Forcing people to report on one another is something I associate with oppressive regimes, not with our system.

Unfortunately, in my country, “Occupied America” gangs walk the streets freely and people are terrified. There are decent people who live here with small children but they never let out in the front of their homes because of the evil that lurks there.

But don’t worry America. Just sit on your hands for now and it will be coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

 

[catharina]

OK Let us use our history books!

How many times in the 20th Century has Mexico helped us in war?

Let’s see…NEVER!!!..Not once!!!

What about other Latin American coutries?

Brazil sent 25,000 troops to the Italian Campaign in WW2.

Puerto Rico has enlisted men to serve in the American military in all of the conflicts of the USA during the 20th Century.

Columbia sent troops to Korea

but Mexico? After all the aid we have given them for decades.

NOTHING-------NO HELP---------But they always have their hands out. That’s why their population has quadrupled in the last 60 years. I guess they don’t need help when it comes to that.

Is that how it works?
I scratch your back and you etc.?

Mexico existed under anti-Catholic legislation at all levels of government for about 100 yrs ending only in the 1990s. The Mexican govt had ONE occupation: persecuting the Church. It had no interest in helping its people, its own nation or any other nation. Mexicans find more hope (and income) here than in Mexico. It’s nothing new.

PS - check out your Church History book.

 

[Bullfighter]

I don’t think anyone who lives by a religion should feel obligated to support laws that are contrary to the religious teaching…if they were, what’s the point of being religious?

You must be joking. The religions in this country owe a debt to the laws that protect them from taxes and keep religions free of state interference.

Religions should show the same respect to the state.

 

[redhen]

The whole comment smacked of racism. Poor persecuted white person, the Hispanics get allllllllll the breaks.

You still didn’t answer the question, all you gave me was an ad hominem attack.

 

[RobertLGarrett]

I don’t think anyone who lives by a religion should feel obligated to support laws that are contrary to the religious teaching…if they were, what’s the point of being religious?

Are immigration laws contrary to religious teaching? Is deportation contrary to religious teaching?

I personally agree that the priests shouldn’t be compelled to turn people in, but I don’t think your point is correct.

 

[Bullfighter]

No problem.

5% Canadian
5% European (frankly I suspect that is low most the illegals I know are Polish))
10% Asian (also I suspect a low number)
57% Mexican
23% Central and South American other than Mexican.

The Mexican, Central and SA illegals get all the press because they are obvious. If you find Asians or Europeans (even non-English speaking individuals) the first thought in your mind is not “Illegal Alien”, it’s tourist. As I said I have met many illegal aliens here in Chicago and the majority have been Polish, not Hispanic.

That hasn’t been my experience and I live next door to Chicago. All you need to do is go to where there is food stamps, free food pantries, stroger (county) hospital, (it used to be 80% hispanic until they asked for picture ID) ,Home Depot, etc.

I’ve actually heard that the Polish are leaving America to go back and work in Poland. Less crime and the economy was getting better.

 

[Bullfighter]

Is that how it works?
I scratch your back and you etc.?

Mexico existed under anti-Catholic legislation at all levels of government for about 100 yrs ending only in the 1990s. The Mexican govt had ONE occupation: persecuting the Church. It had no interest in helping its people, its own nation or any other nation. Mexicans find more hope (and income) here than in Mexico. It’s nothing new.

PS - check out your Church History book.

I know that Mexicans persecute Mexicans and the few honest Mexican police officers get killed by the corrupt Mexican Army. And El Presidente Vincente Fox blamed the US for its drug problems. A Mexican reporter admitted a few months ago the Fox was getting payed off by the gangs.

The only people you can trust in Mexico are the tourists.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

That hasn’t been my experience and I live next door to Chicago. All you need to do is go to where there is food stamps, free food pantries, stroger (county) hospital, (it used to be 80% hispanic until they asked for picture ID) ,Home Depot, etc.

I’ve actually heard that the Polish are leaving America to go back and work in Poland. Less crime and the economy was getting better.

So who belongs in Cicero? More importantly what is the source of their inalienable right to that land?

 

[Bullfighter]

So who belongs in Cicero? More importantly what is the source of their inalienable right to that land?

I say whoever has put the most into the land, deserves the land. That might even be biblical.

The family that has payed taxes for 50, 60, 70 years has more rights to the services than someone who just got there. Wouldn’t you agree?

 

[catharina]

I say whoever has put the most into the land, deserves the land. That might even be biblical.

The family that has payed taxes for 50, 60, 70 years has more rights to the services than someone who just got there. Wouldn’t you agree?

Odd.

Our Lord has said that we are to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless and so forth. He said nothing about longevity on the land and/or paperwork documentaion.

He said to attend to the needs of those in need.
Wouldn’t you agree???