Catholics that don't believe in miracles?

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Yes, if someone tells you tomorrow they think they were miraculously cured of an illness, you have the option to believe that it occurred in the natural way, or that it was miraculous, and no harm will be done.

But then if you were to see a healing of the magnitude seen in the home of Leo Dupont, I think it would be a different story. A couple of examples of major miraculous healings from the life of Leo Dupont are below. If I knew someone who had cures of this magnitude, I would think it would be displeasing to God to not believe they were miraculous!

“The Doctor Noyer, whom his colleagues in the profession had condemned, was in the last stage of pulmonary consumption, and had lost altogether one lobe of his lungs, so that they had good grounds for their opinion that he could not live. The two prayed together, and then M. Dupont applied the oil to the afflicted man’s chest, who, full of trust, wished to drink some drops of it. He was instantaneously cured.”

“A country woman brought her child, a girl of ten or twelve years of age, to him one day, asking him to cure her. She was what is commonly called club-footed. “The good saint in his humility,” was his friend, who was no other than the Abbe Janvier, his future historian, present on the occasion, replied, “It is not I who can cure your daughter. God alone has that power. Pray to Him with much confidence. Here is some oil from the lamp which burns continually before a representation of the Holy Face of our Lord; rub your child’s foot with it; meanwhile I will unite my prayers to yours.” In a few minutes, to the exceeding joy and amazement of her mother, the child’s foot had returned to its proper shape.
Unable to contain herself for joy, the little girl went jumping down stairs four steps at a time, while the happy mother was relieved of all anxiety save, as she said, that of purchasing new shoes and stockings for her child. This in its nature was so very striking a miracle that it is impossible to describe the impression which it made on all in the house.”
 
One simple question to those who believe in miracles in this scientific age.
Do you genuinely believe that miracles such as sea parting into two to allow safe passage, life to dead etc can still occur now? If not why ? Strange that people now believe only in small scale miracles where there is no scientific proof.
 
Once a Catholic sees that miracles are possible, the sky is the limit and they no longer need to insist on scientific proof every time. Miracles are above science, which is what makes them miracles.
 
‘Above science’ means even if scientifically proved as fraud and nonsense,I believe that it is a miracle!!😊😊
 
If there are still any miracles not yet proved as fraud,be assured that it has not been subjected to any genuine scientific test.
 
joseie said:
If there are still any miracles not yet proved as fraud,be assured that it has not been subjected to any genuine scientific test.
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I know not if they subjected were. But anyway, only faithless man wants to subject to probe. Faithful man humbly admires. That way make him happy. But faithless man always probing, always grim. He not so sweet. That way he unhappy. 🐈
 
Oh no.Not at all unhappy.As somebody posted here, miracles which are fundamental to our faith as described in the bible are necessarily to be believed which I do so strongly.But there is no requirement that you have to believe in these modern times miracle,including even that of Fathima.Those who don’t believe in such second class miracles are equally or even more happy and their belief in Jesus or Mary has not at all been least affected than those who blindly believe these.Wonder how you got the notion otherwise? Not only that,I have noticed that those who readly believe in these modern miracles are not so strong as the others in their fundamental belief . Perhaps God intentionally makes them to believe that such things are true so that they may grow stronger as the others.
 
Thank you for writing. This your post a bit difficult for me because it have many words. Not sure what mean you by requirement for belief. In this our place, belief come gentle, natural. Requirements we no have. Also no blind, and no first class second class (except on train). Gently gently doing, my small friend tell me one time. Or maybe better translate “lightly lightly”. I hope you had good rest. 🐾
 
What I mean is this: We have to necessarily believe in the miracles in the bible such asJesus healing sick,raising dead,resurrection etc as otherwise our belief in Jesus as God can’t stand.But there is no necessity nor is it required by church that we should believe in the modern time miracles.Nothing wrong in not believing these if you feel that these are not genuine miracles.Most of them are fraud .The rest happened in a possible natural way.Perhaps that particular possibility out of so many possibilities , might have happened due to prayer, thats all.

Ps.About rest. I am in that part of the world where it is afternoon (4 pm) now☺️
 
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Someone claiming something is a “proven fraud” is subjective.

Also, people who call themselves “scientists” will say it is scientifically impossible for the sun to have danced In the sky and hurled towards the earth during the miracle at Fatima, yet thousands of people submitted testimonials to the Catholic Church claiming that’s exactly what they saw it do.
 
I believe in miracles and have witnessed them.

However, there are far more fanatics claiming miracles that don’t exist and they do more harm to the body of Christ than anything else.

Jim
 
Eddie18 said:
I recently read a quote in a book called “The Face of God” from a Catholic author in Italy named Paul Badde. In it he writes, "I knew that in large parts of the Church, it had been a long time since miracles were believed in, even by many priests and bishops, even in Rome—not even everyone in the Vatican believed in them…”.
Catholics out there that either don’t believe in miracles, or don’t value them.
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Does the author give any evidence to back up his saying many priests and bishops even in Rome and the Vatican don’t believe in miracles ?

We havw just come to the end of Eastertide when we celebrate THE miracle , the resurrection of Jesus .

In the Creed Catholics profess “On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven…We look for the resurrection of the dead,”

I seriously doubt the validity of the author’s claims .
 
joseie said:
Do you genuinely believe that miracles such as sea parting into two to allow safe passage, life to dead etc can still occur now?
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Of course.
joseie said:
Strange that people now believe only in small scale miracles where there is no scientific proof.
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What in the world makes you think that, other than not knowing about them? I’m reminded of the first miracle of St. Mother Cabrini, or the numerous confirmed miracles at Lourdes.
 
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True. And this is because miracles cannot be worked in the presence of unbelievers. It’s not a matter of Jesus being too proud to work them in their presence. It’s just not possible, because unbelief “blocks” miracles.
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Even Jesus could not work miracles in the presence of unbelievers, as is evident from the fact that Jesus took only a few true believers with him when He went in to raise the little girl:
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Surely you understand how this looks for a non thiest right? It deffenitely sets it up to look like there are no miracles/faked miracles. It’s very convenient that miracles only work for those who already believe. I really don’t see the big deal in an all powerful God just making his presence fully known to everyone. Not in some random miracles or through nature or old books. Knowledge doesn’t negate free will so what’s the point?
 
Some question in this connection are: What is the use of miracles now? Will we get any new believers( believe in Jesus) due to the miracles? (Note that miracles happens in other religions also.)
 
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