Catholics Unfairly Treated In Abuse Story

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It’s been very fashionable in the news to focus attention on stories where Catholic priests have been involved in scandals. (see foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289428,00.html) These are serious problems but intentionally distorted out of proportion by a press antagonositic to religion. The problem in the public schools is far more common and in comparison raging out of control. The problem in the schools is a far more serious threat but receives little attention
 
Where I live, abuse in schools, camps, churches, daycares, by neighbors and family members is reported in the paper and news. Not just when it involves Catholic priests, but all sorts of abuse.

I often read here that other abuses are not made much of, but that is not what I see. Perhaps Catholics pay more attention to the reports of abuse involving the Catholic church and less to the other types, and thus it seems they are unfairly targeted.
 
It’s been very fashionable in the news to focus attention on stories where Catholic priests have been involved in scandals. (see foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289428,00.html) These are serious problems but intentionally distorted out of proportion by a press antagonositic to religion. The problem in the public schools is far more common and in comparison raging out of control. The problem in the schools is a far more serious threat but receives little attention
The reason that the Catholic Church gets picked on so much is because the thing the media (and other forces of secularism) hate the most is the Holy Catholic Church. They hate the fact that She stands up against secularism, relativism, abortion, contraception, homosexuality, and pornography. Interestingly, what the media neglects to report is that the priests doing these horrible things are mostly homosexual…but of course reporting that would be bigoted wouldn’t it?

The reason that abuse in public schools doesn’t get covered is because public schools are the left wing centers of indoctrination. You know, it’s where we learn that Christianity (especially Catholicism) is evil, that America is evil, that Europe is evil, that homosexuality and other “alternative” lifestyles are good, how to contracept, how to contact Planned Parenthood when the contraception fails, how to get an abortion and keep it hidden from your parents, etc.

It’s sad but that’s the truth.
 
The reason that the Catholic Church gets picked on so much is because the thing the media (and other forces of secularism) hate the most is the Holy Catholic Church. They hate the fact that She stands up against secularism, relativism, abortion, contraception, homosexuality, and pornography. Interestingly, what the media neglects to report is that the priests doing these horrible things are mostly homosexual…but of course reporting that would be bigoted wouldn’t it?

The reason that abuse in public schools doesn’t get covered is because public schools are the left wing centers of indoctrination. You know, it’s where we learn that Christianity (especially Catholicism) is evil, that America is evil, that Europe is evil, that homosexuality and other “alternative” lifestyles are good, how to contracept, how to contact Planned Parenthood when the contraception fails, how to get an abortion and keep it hidden from your parents, etc.

It’s sad but that’s the truth.
If it doesn’t get covered, how do you know it exists?

I keep hearing people say that only the Catholic stuff is covered but how abuse takes place here, there and everywhere. How do you know?

I know, because I read about it in the paper and hear it on the news. Often on the front page of our paper.
 
Instead of trying to root out this perverted, evil element of the Catholic church you blame the media for allegedly unfairly focusing on pedophilliac priests.

What was it about glass houses and stones?
 
Whenever there’s a story involving the church, it’s front page news and it goes on forever. When it’s a schoolteacher, it might get covered, but as local news and without much detail. There’s a big difference in how the stories get treated, I do believe there’s a discernable attempt to embarass religion.
 
I keep hearing people say that only the Catholic stuff is covered but how abuse takes place here, there and everywhere. How do you know?
A study was published over two years ago that concluded that ~10% of public school children were subjected to sexual abuse at the hands of school staff.
 
Whenever there’s a story involving the church, it’s front page news and it goes on forever. When it’s a schoolteacher, it might get covered, but as local news and without much detail. There’s a big difference in how the stories get treated, I do believe there’s a discernable attempt to embarass religion.
I think, in part, people hope they can hold religious organizations to a higher standard than the general public, and also, they want people to be alert that even in religious settings, harm can take place.

That being said. Where I live, albeit, not a hugely Catholic area, it is not front page news that goes on forever. Maybe where the concentration of Catholics is higher, it gets more coverage, that would make sense.

Here, when school teachers do wrong, it is BIG news.
 
Whenever there’s a story involving the church, it’s front page news and it goes on forever. When it’s a schoolteacher, it might get covered, but as local news and without much detail. There’s a big difference in how the stories get treated, I do believe there’s a discernable attempt to embarass religion.
On what objective measurable data do you base your conclusions?
 
Instead of trying to root out this perverted, evil element of the Catholic church you blame the media for allegedly unfairly focusing on pedophilliac priests.

What was it about glass houses and stones?
I didn’t see anyone deny that some sexual abuses occurred, or that some in the hierarchy of the dioceses here in the United States covered it up by shuffling these pedohile priests around. No one argued against removing any pedophile priests from their ministries, either. No, I only see the argument that the media, including the “fair and balanced” Fox News service, is unfairly reporting only the abuses caused by the scandalous priests in the Church. No one truly denies that this happened, but is it only in the Catholic Church? I don’t think so, and that’s why we have an outcry against the media’s reports. The only thread of hope I remember was when John Stossel, from ABC’s “20/20,” reported, some time ago, about the prevalent sexual abuse and pedophilia in the Baptist church. But, as reported, the Baptist church could only fire these pedophilic ministers that simply go to another church to minister and abuse. There is no reprocussion for these men in the Baptist church. The parishioners in the new church wouldn’t even know about allegations, until it was too late. What about occurrances of sexual abuse/ pedophilia in the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts? What about the YMCA or YWCA? This isn’t just a Catholic problem; it’s a human problem. I would argue that the media is biasly reporting only instances of sexual abuse/ pedophilia/ sexual misconduct against the Church because it is the True Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. And the devil himself knows how to manipulate your free-thinking minds into hatred of the Church Christ established here on Earth.
 
A study was published over two years ago that concluded that ~10% of public school children were subjected to sexual abuse at the hands of school staff.
:mad: A study said that less than 10% of schoolchildren are abused by school staff? Who cares!?! If only one child across the country is sexually abused at the hands of an adult; then it is too many! Is less than 10% an acceptable figure for you? Well, it isn’t for me. I don’t care if you’re a Catholic priest, a Baptist minister, a youth group co-ordinator, a baseball coach, a cheerleading coach, a staff member at the YMCA or the Boys and Girls Club, a Boy Scout Troop Master; if you sexually abuse a child under your care, you will face the consequences, here on Earth and in the next life.:mad:
 
Whenever there’s a story involving the church, it’s front page news and it goes on forever. When it’s a schoolteacher, it might get covered, but as local news and without much detail. There’s a big difference in how the stories get treated, I do believe there’s a discernable attempt to embarass religion.
I believe the reason “it goes on forever” is linked to Benedict’s statement…the RC is the true church…and this church calls the world to repentance and holiness…yet it’s dealings with it’s priests who prey on children…doesn’t reflect such high lofty ideals…it’s easier to “pay them off”…maybe not a fair assesment from a Catholics eyes…but from the worlds eyes…it’s blatant hypocricy…something many secular individuals have little tolerance for…if the church which espouses such high lofty ideals will not…cannot…stem the seemingly scandalous goings on of it’s priests…you know…those priests who stand in Christ stead and are the only ones who can confect the eucharist as all other eucharist celebrations really aren’t true…this isn’t an indictment…this is an explanation as to the “why” the church is looked at so hard…

For many of us in other faith traditions…it makes no sense that a godly man who does not derive his “authority” from Rome can offer a blessing over the bread and wine and it’s 'false", but a priest who preys on children can speak the words of consecration one moment and not 10-15 minutes prior…“feel up” or “rape” a child…and it’s the “body and blood of Christ.”

It boggles my mind…and I do know from insider knowledge that other denominations and faith traditions deal with similar issues…but they do not make such “claims” as the RCC.
 
I think it is all about marketing.

The “news” is nothing more than the equivalent of half-naked women standing next to automobiles for sale. The mongers will promote whatever story they calculate has value in terms of getting people to sit slack-jawed in front of their TVs long enough to see the commercials. The fat, bald guys in the back rooms of the networks are not stupid. They employ teams of experts who know, and can make nearly instant decisions, about what stories have the most power. They are a-moral. They don’t care about any church, or any morality except what will sell product.

Remember the Anna Nicole story? Nary a Catholic priest to be found, yet that stupid story ran for WEEKS. That was the time I decided to toss my TV. Ever since I did, life has been a lot more relaxed for me. I may “know” less about Anna Nicole, but that ain’t so bad.
 
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A study was published over two years ago that concluded that ~10% of public school children were subjected to sexual abuse at the hands of school staff.
A study said that less than 10% of schoolchildren are abused by school staff? Who cares!?!
Oh for the love of God! The study concluded that about 10% of students are sexually abused, not less than 10%. The point is that this study was mostly ignored when it was released, even though the number of children abused in the schools is staggering. However, if any accusation is made against a Catholic Priest, valid or not, it becomes front page news.:mad:
 
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Oh for the love of God! The study concluded that about 10% of students are sexually abused, not less than 10%. The point is that this study was mostly ignored when it was released, even though the number of children abused in the schools is staggering. However, if any accusation is made against a Catholic Priest, valid or not, it becomes front page news.:mad:
Yes, I agree with you. The media did pass this study by, in favor of some more juicy news.

And I apologize to you, RLDS. It seems were arguing on the same side.:o

I think I was just allowing my anger over this subject get a hold of me. 1 child is still too many, though.
 
A study was published over two years ago that concluded that ~10% of public school children were subjected to sexual abuse at the hands of school staff.
Not necessarily exactly, depending on whether you use the term “sexual abuse” as it is legally defined. I presume the study you are referring to is the “Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature” done by the Dept of Education in 2004 at the request of Congress ( ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf)

The study was a literature review of other studies that had been done on sexual misconduct, not specifically sexual abuse.

"The distinction between “sexual misconduct” and “sexual abuse” is significant in legal and other terms. However, both are of concern to parents and the Department.
The author’s use of the two words interchangeably throughout the report is potentially confusing to the reader. Federal law gives separate and specific meaning to the words “sexual abuse,” and such words should not be confused with the broader, more general concept of “sexual misconduct.” Specifically, “sexual abuse” has been a defined term for over 17 years [18 U.S.C. § 2242]. It involves an act where one knowingly “causes another person to engage in a sexual act by threatening or placing that other person in fear. . .” or “engages in a sexual act with another person if that other person is—(A) incapable of appraising the nature of the conduct; or (B) physically incapable of declining participation in, or communicating unwillingness to engage in, that sexual act. . . .” Id. “Sexual abuse” carries a penalty of a fine or imprisonment for not more than 20 years, or both. Id. "

The section on prevalence begins on page 16. Of the studies reviewed, they viewed one as the most useful

“Because of its carefully drawn sample and survey methodology, the AAUW report that nearly 9.6 percent of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career presents the most accurate data available at this time.”

“3.1.1.1 AAUW data and Shakeshaft secondary analysis. This analysis used data collected for American Association of University Women in Fall 2000 by Harris International. Eighth through 11th grade students in the sample responded to a survey administered by trained interviewers during English classes. The survey asked students about their experiences of various forms of sexual harassment or abuse in school”

The questionnaire included
During your whole school life, how often, if at all, has anyone (this includes students, teachers, other school employees, or anyone else) done the following things to you when you did not want them to?
• Made sexual comments, jokes, gestures, or looks.
• Showed, gave or left you sexual pictures, photographs, illustrations, messages, or notes.
• Wrote sexual messages/graffiti about you on bathroom walls, in locker rooms, etc.
• Spread sexual rumors about you.
• Said you were gay or a lesbian.
• Spied on you as you dressed or showered at school.
• Flashed or “mooned” you.
• Touched, grabbed, or pinched you in a sexual way.
• Intentionally brushed up against you in a sexual way.
• Pulled at your clothing in a sexual way.
• Pulled off or down your clothing.
• Blocked your way or cornered you in a sexual way.
• Forced you to kiss him/her.
• Forced you to do something sexual, other than kissing.

For each behavior the respondent identifies as having experienced, she or he is asked a series of follow-up questions, including the role of the offender (student, teacher, counselor, etc.), where the incident took place, and when the incident happened. All analyses of these data are based upon the stems above, which constitute civil and criminal definitions of sexual abuse and harassment.

Responses from students who indicated they had experienced one of the listed behaviors were analyzed using descriptive statistics and frequencies. This analysis (Shakeshaft, 2003) indicates that 9.6 percent of all students in grades 8 to 11 report contact and/or noncontact educator sexual misconduct that was unwanted. 8.7 percent report only noncontact sexual misconduct and 6.7 percent experienced only contact misconduct. (These total to more than 9.6 percent because some students reported both types of misconduct.) Of students who experienced any kind of sexual misconduct in schools, 21 percent were targets of educators, while the remaining 79 percent were targets of other students."

So, the report supports a statement that 9.6 percent of all students in grades 8 to 11 reported having experienced at some point in their school life contact and/or noncontact educator sexual misconduct that was unwanted. This, while disturbing, is not identical to saying that “10% of public school children were subjected to sexual abuse at the hands of school staff.”
 
The OP was pointing out that in the US media, the Catholic Church has been dragged over the coals for the abuse scandal. Nobody is making excuses for those who committed the abuse.

Because priests have little money, and usually bishops themselves have little money, attorneys have been suing dioceses, seeing them as gold mines.

Public schools who employ teachers and other staff who abuse children usually enjoy legal protection from these kinds of lawsuits. Recently, Colorado tried to remove the statute of limitations for abuse accusations, specifically targeting the Catholic Church. Archbishop Chaput called the Colorado Legislature on its hypocrisy - the Legislature wanted to continue exempting the public schools from the same laws they wanted to apply to the Catholic Church. The measure failed.
 
if the church which espouses such high lofty ideals will not…cannot…stem the seemingly scandalous goings on of it’s priests…you know…those priests who stand in Christ stead and are the only ones who can confect the eucharist as all other eucharist celebrations really aren’t true…this isn’t an indictment…this is an explanation as to the “why” the church is looked at so hard…
It boggles my mind…and I do know from insider knowledge that other denominations and faith traditions deal with similar issues…but they do not make such “claims” as the RCC.
I think you’ve really nailed it. As someone who has watched hours of news shows on the scandals, I have ruminated and prayed about the reasons for the media response. Rather than clouding the issue with stats of other churches and other professionals who abuse children, it might be beneficial to consider that the reason they are not held to the same standard is because the Church has always set herself apart as an example of true holiness. How could the abuse of a child by a teacher every compare to abuse by a priest? I mean, we call them Father! We hold them in the highest esteem. They are our Christ representatives. When they offend, it is the most profound evil - far worse than any other. Even if we, as adults, understand that priests are human and subject to sin, children can not comprehend this same concept. In a twisted way, we should take heart to realize that the abomination is so great that even the secular media understands that holy giants have fallen.

I understand the impulse to DEFEND at all costs when we feel the Church is being wrongly attacked. I have done it myself for years - pulled out the stats, deflected the attention to other abusers, questioned the motives of the lawyers and the accusers. After watching representatives from the Church do this over and over on TV, I realize how sad and futile it is. The priests were wrong. The Bishops who were involved in any way were wrong. The Church and the faithful are suffering for the sins of the clergy. We must learn to bear the cross, offer compassion to those who were wronged, and pray it never happens again.
 
I believe this has been discussed before…
Matthew 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 ¶ Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
That’s about as harsh punishment as is ever mentioned. I think only Judas got the same treatment. But that’s not really what I wanted to discuss. There’s no question it’s very serious, perhaps even unpardonable. But I wanted to discuss how certain anti-Christian elements are seizing on this issue to attack Christianity as a whole and maybe even the Catholic church specifically.

I was very surprised to read the above posting that the school board is exempt from these large lawsuits, despite the rampant problems. Individuals are prosecuted but that’s the end of it. And certain elements of our society are using the courts to get what they can’t get at the ballot box.
 
A study was published over two years ago that concluded that ~10% of public school children were subjected to sexual abuse at the hands of school staff.
By contrast, fewer than 1% of priests have ever even been accused of such things. Yet, the coverage about the priests never ends (Shanley has been in jail for how long now? And yet, his case is continually being rehashed and rehashed and rehashed - I swear, it feels like there are hundeds of Paul Shanleys and that they are all running around free and unaccountable, instead of only one, who has been in jail already for several years, and probably will never get out.)
 
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