Catholics vs the SSPX

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Why would Catholics ever receive the Sacraments from priests who are suspended a Divinis. Would the Catholics during the French Revolution do that? Did the Holy Cure of Ars do that?

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The thread is silly. The SSPX are Catholics. The real question is why would a real Catholic go to a clown mess or receive communion from some mean, clipped haired women, who is a member of Call to Action? You want to talk about the French Revolution, shortly after the Council a Cardinal was bragging how VII was the French Revolution of the Church. Or to get to the chase, why would anyone attend a mass that was fabricated by a Free Mason and a number of Protestants & where millions (or billions if you’re Los Angeles) of dollars from your collection plates go to pay predatory priest’s legal fees & damages?
 
Why would Catholics ever receive the Sacraments from priests who are suspended a Divinis.
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What’s it to you? If you don’t want to go, don’t. Geesh! Didn’t we just have another SSPX thread closed?
 
EddieArent said:
The thread is silly. The SSPX are Catholics. The real question is why would a real Catholic go to a clown mess or receive communion from some mean, clipped haired women, who is a member of Call to Action? You want to talk about the French Revolution, shortly after the Council a Cardinal was bragging how VII was the French Revolution of the Church. Or to get to the chase, why would anyone attend a mass that was fabricated by a Free Mason and a number of Protestants & where millions (or billions if you’re Los Angeles) of dollars from your collection plates go to pay predatory priest’s legal fees & damages?
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He never actually said they weren’t Catholic. He said their priests were suspended a divinis and asked why people would receive the Sacraments from them. It has little to do with clown masses. Not only would I not receive from them, I would attend them (unless, of course, I was there to videotape). People can’t excuse one group by pointing the finger at another.
 
EddieArent said:
The thread is silly. The SSPX are Catholics. The real question is why would a real Catholic go to a clown mess or receive communion from some mean, clipped haired women, who is a member of Call to Action? You want to talk about the French Revolution, shortly after the Council a Cardinal was bragging how VII was the French Revolution of the Church. Or to get to the chase, why would anyone attend a mass that was fabricated by a Free Mason and a number of Protestants & where millions (or billions if you’re Los Angeles) of dollars from your collection plates go to pay predatory priest’s legal fees & damages?
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Wow, your comments are very angry and ignorant…

First, laypersons (even "clipped haired women’) can serve as extraordinary ministers of holy communion in the Church, per the Holy See.

Second, the normative Pauline Mass was not “fabricated by a Free Mason and a number of Protestants.” That comment is so outwardly laughable that I truly hope you are trying to be funny. If you’re not, I feel sorry for you.

Third, no plate collections in LA go for the settlement.

On second thought, I feel sorry for you no matter what. 😦
 
HenryV said:
Why would Catholics ever receive the Sacraments from priests who are suspended a Divinis. Would the Catholics during the French Revolution do that? Did the Holy Cure of Ars do that?

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Maybe there are absolutely NO Catholic priests to be located?
 
“…Second, the normative Pauline Mass was not “fabricated by a Free Mason and a number of Protestants.” That comment is so outwardly laughable that I truly hope you are trying to be funny. If you’re not, I feel sorry for you…”

Old man Bugnini, architect of the New Mass, was exactly that- a Freemason. And unfortunately, six Protestant ministers were also brought in to work on the overhauling. That is all documented fact. In response to the Reformation, the Council of Trent gave us the Tridentine Mass and said ‘no one can tweak this Mass, ever…’ So what did Vatican II give us?.. basically a Protestant service.

The problems with the Novus Ordo are legion:
  1. CHANGED THE WORDS OF THE CONSECRATION TO WORDS JESUS NEVER SAID. Ouch.
  2. Turned the Sacrifice of Calvary into a Protestant meal
  3. Turned Catholic Altars into Protestant tables
  4. Destroys Catholic Priesthood by allowing just about anyone to become a ‘Eucharistic Minister’
  5. etc, etc, etc…
Actually, a well done, non sensational video explaining this is:
Why the New Mass and New Rite of Ordination are Invalid 2of5
check it out on youtube.com

Our Lady of Fatima, ora pro nobis…
 
daniel_connolly said:
“…Second, the normative Pauline Mass was not “fabricated by a Free Mason and a number of Protestants.” That comment is so outwardly laughable that I truly hope you are trying to be funny. If you’re not, I feel sorry for you…”

Old man Bugnini, architect of the New Mass, was exactly that- a Freemason. And unfortunately, six Protestant ministers were also brought in to work on the overhauling. That is all documented fact. In response to the Reformation, the Council of Trent gave us the Tridentine Mass and said ‘no one can tweak this Mass, ever…’ So what did Vatican II give us?.. basically a Protestant service.

The problems with the Novus Ordo are legion:
  1. CHANGED THE WORDS OF THE CONSECRATION TO WORDS JESUS NEVER SAID. Ouch.
  2. Turned the Sacrifice of Calvary into a Protestant meal
  3. Turned Catholic Altars into Protestant tables
  4. Destroys Catholic Priesthood by allowing just about anyone to become a ‘Eucharistic Minister’
  5. etc, etc, etc…
Actually, a well done, non sensational video explaining this is:
Why the New Mass and New Rite of Ordination are Invalid 2of5
check it out on youtube.com

Our Lady of Fatima, ora pro nobis…
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Oh, now get it.:newidea: Don’t listen to the Church and the Magisterium. Get your catechesis from You Tube.

Please provide proof for your denigrating allegations. (From reputable sources, not SSPX)

Thanks.
 
Indyann said:
Oh, now get it.:newidea: Don’t listen to the Church and the Magisterium. Get your catechesis from You Tube.

Please provide proof for your denigrating allegations. (From reputable sources, not SSPX)

Thanks.
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Just for clarification, this isn’t an SSPX video. This is a Dimond Brothers video. They are sedevacantists.
 
bear06 said:
Just for clarification, this isn’t an SSPX video. This is a Dimond Brothers video. They are sedevacantists.
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I didn’t want to waste my time watching it. I surely don’t want to waste my time watching Dimond Bros. either. Heard them on the radio, had to turn it off and chalk it up as crazy talk.
 
Indyann said:
I didn’t want to waste my time watching it. I surely don’t want to waste my time watching Dimond Bros. either. Heard them on the radio, had to turn it off and chalk it up as crazy talk.
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The Dimond brothers are pretty whacky. I just didn’t want more to the SSPX than they deserve. In other words, even the SSPX wouldn’t go so far.
 
First, laypersons (even "clipped haired women’) can serve as extraordinary ministers of holy communion in the Church, per the Holy See.
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And this is a good thing?
Second, the normative Pauline Mass was not “fabricated by a Free Mason and a number of Protestants.”
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Then who fabricated it? Ones with good Catholic sense that carefully followed Vatican II documents? I don’t think so.
Third, no plate collections in LA go for the settlement.
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No, that comes out of your grandfather’s donations. Just another accounting trick people fall for. So it comes out of your left pocket instead of your right. Big deal.

And don’t forget how much donated money was used to raze altars, communion rails, confessionals, statues, etc since the costly Vatican II. You’re ok with that?
 
Oh, now get it. Don’t listen to the Church and the Magisterium. Get your catechesis from You Tube.
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Have you read and studied the recent Motu Proprio? Have you read all of the Pope’s writings? If not, You Tube might actually bring you up to date.
 
‘…Oh, now get it. Don’t listen to the Church and the Magisterium. Get your catechesis from You Tube’…

‘…Please provide proof for your denigrating allegations. (From reputable sources, not SSPX)…’

I looks like you didn’t watch the video. You really should as it will only take up nine minutes of your time. The Novus Ordo mass and the Protestant Reformation are very similar articles. Really, check it out.

I understand that it SEEMS UTTERLY RIDICULOUS that Rome would stay anything but Catholic. But that is the beef the SSPX has: Vatican II (Wittenberg II??) took a SERIOUS LEANING INTO PROTESTANTISM. They basically changed the Mass into a Protestant service. The Motu Proprio is a start in getting Catholicism back into the Church but we have a little ways to go yet.

Like Lefebvre said, ‘I’ve been training Catholic priests the same for thirty years, but now after the council we are being pushed aside…’

Seriously, check out that video. You might be surprised.
Virgin of Fatima, ora pro nobis
 
BobP123 said:
Have you read and studied the recent Motu Proprio? Have you read all of the Pope’s writings? If not, You Tube might actually bring you up to date.
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If you are speaking of the Moto Proprio of June 7, 2007, yes I have read it many times. I especially like this article

Art 1. The Roman Missal promulgated by Paul VI is the ordinary expression of the ‘Lex orandi’ (Law of prayer) of the Catholic Church of the Latin rite. Nonetheless, the Roman Missal promulgated by St. Pius V and reissued by Bl. John XXIII is to be considered as an extraordinary expression of that same ‘Lex orandi,’ and must be given due honour for its venerable and ancient usage. These two expressions of the Church’s Lex orandi will in no any way lead to a division in the Church’s ‘Lex credendi’ (Law of belief). They are, in fact two usages of the one Roman rite.

No, I have not read all of the Pope’s writings. Have You?

Thanks for the suggestion that I “get up to date” by watching You Tube. I think I will pass, as I am very selective in my discernment of venues of proper catechesis.
 
I haven’t figured out how to put a quote into a text box. How do I do that???

Nowhere did I suggest that you ‘get up to date’ as you said. What I did say is that Vatican II changed the ‘Mass of all time’ (Council of Trent) into an at least marginally Protestant service. This is what I mean…
  1. Novus Ordo changes the words of the Consecration into WORDS JESUS NEVER UTTERED. At the most significant part of the Mass. Yikes.
  2. The Sacrifice of Calvary was turned into a Protestant meal.
  3. Catholic Altars were turned into Protestant tables.
  4. The Catholic Priesthood is marginalized when virtually anyone can be a ‘Eucharistic Minister’. Why even have a Priest?
  5. Communion in the hand. Ouch.
  6. Etc.
I have read papal documents. Really, check out the video. You might be surprised.

Is there a reason why Vatican II has been preaching ‘a New Theology’ for 40 years? You bet. BECAUSE IT IS.

Virgin of Fatima, ora pro nobis
 
daniel_connolly said:
I haven’t figured out how to put a quote into a text box. How do I do that???

Nowhere did I suggest that you ‘get up to date’ as you said. What I did say is that Vatican II changed the ‘Mass of all time’ (Council of Trent) into an at least marginally Protestant service. This is what I mean…
  1. Novus Ordo changes the words of the Consecration into WORDS JESUS NEVER UTTERED. At the most significant part of the Mass. Yikes.
  2. The Sacrifice of Calvary was turned into a Protestant meal.
  3. Catholic Altars were turned into Protestant tables.
  4. The Catholic Priesthood is marginalized when virtually anyone can be a ‘Eucharistic Minister’. Why even have a Priest?
  5. Communion in the hand. Ouch.
  6. Etc.
I have read papal documents. Really, check out the video. You might be surprised.

Is there a reason why Vatican II has been preaching ‘a New Theology’ for 40 years? You bet. BECAUSE IT IS.

Virgin of Fatima, ora pro nobis
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Daniel,

There’s a search function you can use on the site. I suggest you seearch the Ask Apologist Forum for the items you listed. All of these have been asked and answered. I understand you might not like some aspects of the Mass, but it is valid and good.

One thing to keep in mind is that the similiarities that you might find between protestant services and the ordinary Mass is that they are both based on “surprise!” the Catholic Mass. So, it is not unusual that there are similiarities. In fact there are many similiarities between the OF Mass, the EF Mass, and “gasp” some Protestant services. The Protestant service resembles the Catholic Mass not the other way around.
 
Thanks for the suggestion that I “get up to date” by watching You Tube. I think I will pass, as I am very selective in my discernment of venues of proper catechesis.
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You need not knock You Tube or the internet. Had we had these tools 50 years ago Vatican II might have taken a different route.
 
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