Catholics Who Do Not Partake Of The Wine During Holy Communion

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Let me get a bit controversial here. I do not receive the Precious Blood unless I am serving.

The Sacred Host contains the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity and so does the Precious Blood. If one receives both with the idea that they are receiving the Eucharist more fully and is required are mistaken

"CANON III.-If any one denieth, that, in the venerable sacrament of the Eucharist, the whole Christ is contained under each species, and under every part of each species, when separated; let him be anathema. " (Trent, session 13) which is referring to the Utraquism heresy and the protestant heresy.

If you want to read more here are links to the Catholic Encyclopedia about it
Utraquism newadvent.org/cathen/15244b.htm
Communion under Both Kinds newadvent.org/cathen/04175a.htm
 
Phemie said:
The size of the chalice is no indication of how much wine was consecrated. It’s better to run out of the Precious Blood than to have a lot left to consume after everyone who wanted to has received. After all, the priest and the EMHCs may have to drive home.
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What I’m saying is that if there’s 500 of us there, and there are 5 chalices of average size, then people should be mindful of others. I take a small sip…because I know there are dozens and dozens of other Catholics behind me and I don’t see the need to deprive them of their partaking.

I don’t abide by individuals who wantonly rush up first and take these huge swallows. To me, when I sip it, I do this as reverently as possible.

Typically if there’s any leftover the priest finishes it. The rectory is on the grounds so there is no need to drive.
 
John_Yurich_USA said:
I believe in the Real Presence but the way the Lutheran Church teaches and not the way the Catholic Church teaches.
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You’ve stuck your tongue out at us in nearly every one of your posts on this thread. Why do I think you’re just messing with us?
 
John_Yurich_USA said:
I believe in the Real Presence but the way the Lutheran Church teaches and not the way the Catholic Church teaches.
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No, sorry. That’s a heretical belief and if you are Catholic, you must renounce this line of thought and embrace the Catholic thought.

Otherwise, you will not be worthy to approach the Sacrament. The Lutheran thought is unacceptable and has no place for a Catholic.

If you refuse to reject the Lutheran thought, you may be guilty of heresy.
 
John_Yurich_USA said:
Why are there Catholics who do not partake of the wine during Holy Communion if the wine is available for the laity to partake of? If they like wine then they should not pass up the opportunity to take a sip of wine during Holy Communion. The Catholic parish I attend has both the bread and the wine available for the laity to partake of during Holy Communion. I partake of the wine also.
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There is no need to partake of the Precious Blood. Even the tiniest crumb of the consecrated bread contains the full Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Christ. I really don’t understand why this thread is even started.
 
The original post questions why one would not receive under both species. Yes…what mentality even prompts that question?
 
porthos11 said:
No, sorry. That’s a heretical belief and if you are Catholic, you must renounce this line of thought and embrace the Catholic thought.

Otherwise, you will not be worthy to approach the Sacrament. The Lutheran thought is unacceptable and has no place for a Catholic.

If you refuse to reject the Lutheran thought, you may be guilty of heresy.
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Consubstation is what Lutherans believe. In other words Christ is in, under, and with, the bread and wine (“truly and substantially present in, with and under the forms”) which is against what the Catholic Church teaches. Transubstantiation is the whole Christ is present under each of the two Species. When either consecrated species is divided the Whole Christ is present in each part of the species. The Accidents of bread and wine continue after the change of the substance

On whether he is guilty of heresy or not we cannot tell, but this might help for those who think heresy is just heresy and that is it. It goes over material and formal heresy ewtn.com/Expert/answers/heresy_schism_apostasy.htm
 
PopePiusXIISupp said:
Consubstation is what Lutherans believe. In other words Christ is in, under, and with, the bread and wine (“truly and substantially present in, with and under the forms”) which is against what the Catholic Church teaches. Transubstantiation is the whole Christ is present under each of the two Species. When either consecrated species is divided the Whole Christ is present in each part of the species. The Accidents of bread and wine continue after the change of the substance

On whether he is guilty of heresy or not we cannot tell, but this might help for those who think heresy is just heresy and that is it. It goes over material and formal heresy ewtn.com/Expert/answers/heresy_schism_apostasy.htm
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I said, “may” be guilty.
 
John_Yurich_USA said:
I believe in the Real Presence but the way the Lutheran Church teaches and not the way the Catholic Church teaches.
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Hello John,

I’m curious, if you believe in the the Real Presence the way the Lutheran Church teaches it and not the Catholic Church, then why are you not Lutheran?

Of all the theological differences between Catholics and Protestants, Transubstantiation (in my opinion) is the most fundamental difference.

The Eucharist is the source and summit of our faith (CC 1324). If you disagree with this most crucial difference between Catholics and Protestants (in this case Lutherans), then what is keeping you in the Catholic Church?

NOTE: My question is not an attempt to push out of the Church, I’m generally curious. When I used to not follow the majority of Catholic teaching, my belief in the Eucharist was the one thing that made me know that I was not a protestant.

God Bless
 
PopePiusXIISupp said:
Consubstation is what Lutherans believe. In other words Christ is in, under, and with, the bread and wine (“truly and substantially present in, with and under the forms”) which is against what the Catholic Church teaches. Transubstantiation is the whole Christ is present under each of the two Species. When either consecrated species is divided the Whole Christ is present in each part of the species. The Accidents of bread and wine continue after the change of the substance

On whether he is guilty of heresy or not we cannot tell, but this might help for those who think heresy is just heresy and that is it. It goes over material and formal heresy ewtn.com/Expert/answers/heresy_schism_apostasy.htm
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Consubstantiation is not the word for the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. I made the mistake once of stating consubstantiation to a Lutheran on a discussion forum and they stated that the Lutheran Church does not have a name for their doctrine of Holy Communion. That Lutheran stated that Lutherans just state the Real Presence.
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John_Yurich_USA said:
Consubstantiation is not the word for the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. I made the mistake once of stating consubstantiation to a Lutheran on a discussion forum and they stated that the Lutheran Church does not have a name for their doctrine of Holy Communion. That Lutheran stated that Lutherans just state the Real Presence.
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Which is why I avoided using the term consubstantiation.

They are still wrong.

Please renounce your error.
 
phil19034 said:
Hello John,

I’m curious, if you believe in the the Real Presence the way the Lutheran Church teaches it and not the Catholic Church, then why are you not Lutheran?

Of all the theological differences between Catholics and Protestants, Transubstantiation (in my opinion) is the most fundamental difference.

The Eucharist is the source and summit of our faith (CC 1324). If you disagree with this most crucial difference between Catholics and Protestants (in this case Lutherans), then what is keeping you in the Catholic Church?

NOTE: My question is not an attempt to push out of the Church, I’m generally curious. When I used to not follow the majority of Catholic teaching, my belief in the Eucharist was the one thing that made me know that I was not a protestant.

God Bless
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The reason I am not Lutheran is I was Baptized and raised Catholic and I attend Mass every weekend. And I believe one Baptized and raised Catholic should remain Catholic.
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John_Yurich_USA said:
Consubstantiation is not the word for the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. I made the mistake once of stating consubstantiation to a Lutheran on a discussion forum and they stated that the Lutheran Church does not have a name for their doctrine of Holy Communion. That Lutheran stated that Lutherans just state the Real Presence.
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Consubstantiation is the term Catholics and many other Christians use to name the Lutheran theology. A Lutheran will deny it left and right, but they still believe in Consubstantiation.

This is simple semantics. It’s akin to two people arguing over the color of the sky. One person arguing “the sky is blue” while the other is arguing “no, it is actually wavelengths between green and violet.”
 
phil19034 said:
Consubstantiation is the term Catholics and many other Christians use to name the Lutheran theology. A Lutheran will deny it left and right, but they still believe in Consubstantiation.

This is simple semantics. It’s akin to two people arguing over the color of the sky. One person arguing “the sky is blue” while the other is arguing “no, it is actually wavelengths between green and violet.”
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Well Catholics and many other Christians are wrong to use the term consubstantiation to refer to the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion if Lutherans state that they do not have a term to describe their doctrine of Holy Communion but just state the Real Presence. Luther did not refer to the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion as consubstantiation.
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John_Yurich_USA said:
The reason I am not Lutheran is I was Baptized and raised Catholic and I attend Mass every weekend. And I believe one Baptized and raised Catholic should remain Catholic.
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John,
With all due respect, your argument is not logical. I’m going to use two extreme examples: by your logic, if a child is baptized Catholic and becomes an atheist or a satanist then they should still remain Catholic.

No matter what anyone says, a person cannot be an atheist and a Catholic at the same time. And they cannot be a satanist and a Catholic at the same time.

This doesn’t mean that the individual must be re-baptized if/when the return to the faith, because once Baptized, always Baptized. However, one’s dissenting beliefs can place a person outside communion with the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church allows the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and other Apostolic Christians to receive Communion in the Catholic Church because they all share our understanding of the Eucharist. But Anglicans and Lutherans do not share that same believe, so they are barred from receiving communion as a protection against committing the sin of Sacrilege.

I highly suggest, out of Christian love and genuine concern for your soul, that you speak with your priest. I would not want you to be putting your soul at risk by committing sacrilege.

God Bless and may The Lord grant us all wisdom. Amen
 
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