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Hisalone
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Hi Hisalone,
How are you?
I am well thank you.
How are you?
Well the Name of the thread might give you a hint!
LOL
Its not only this thread
Obviously
God is close to the humble of heart.
That happens. Many people are lead away because they don’t understand that their eternal soul is more important then their selfish concerns. The Devil has used pride and “the quest for truth” since adam and eve to win souls from god. Why wouldn’t he also pick on you?
He picks on those that are a threat ot him. Does he pick on you?
I know exactly what you mean. I have the utmost respect for people who are Protestant. I even like the Mormon’s live style, and many of my own relatives are Buddist. I really like a lot about their spirituality. The only thing is I do not respect any of those false religions!
They all teach lies and untruths. This is not my personal opinion. Jesus Christ church tells us that! If they don’t teach the real truth revealed by Jesus Christ to His church, unchanged by Kings, queens, or people with gold cloth and invisible writings, they are teaching lies.
If they think that the day of the week that you worship God on, or that words in a book which have been twisted, changes, and distorted are more important then what Jesus actually teaches, they are teaching lies.
If they think statues are graven images when the bible and dictionaries show the differen, they are teaching lies.
If they don’t think the Pope is the leader of Christianity, they are teaching lies.
If they say you can’t pray to saints, they are teaching lies.
If they think they can obtain eternal life without eating the real body and drinking the real blood of Christ, just like Jesus Himself commanded, they are telling lies.
If they think drinking wine is wrong, even though Jesus Himself drank it and commanded us to, and they substitute grape juice, they are telling lies.
If they think the real Eucharust can offered to them by anyone but a direct successor of the first apostles, they are telling lies.
If they don’t believe in the trinity, they are telling lies.
If their church started in 1517AD, or later, they are telling lies.
How could I respect their churches? The people are good people, I respect them if they attempt to live a ‘real’ christian life. It is their false beliefs that are the problem. Their churches pretent to teach them what jesus wants and they pretent that they are christians while refusing to follow the teaching of the christian church extablished by Jesus Christ Himself 2,000 years ago! Now I ask you how dumb is that?
What do you think Jesus is most concerned with?
First the lost sheep of Isreal.
Then all who are lost for it is the Fathers will that none should perish.
Jesus wants us to preach the good news, to heal the sick, give sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf. Jesus also wantss us to defeat the works of Satan in peoples lives.
That is the heart of Jesus.
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Hisalone
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Deb unfortunelty for you the Roman Church today is not the same one of the 1st century.
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Hisalone
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The 1st century church was not created in a vacuum. It came out of Judiasm. The NT scriptures have no meaning without the OT scriptures.
What is this foolishness that the bible is a Catholic book? Is this some talking point on EWTN?
It is just not a well thought out statement.
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Hisalone
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People want to place othe rpeople in boxes. That is why you cant understand when I say nonDenominational. If I said Luther or Calvinist you could fit me in that box and then attack that belief system. Non Denominational Churches are not affilated with any denomination and are generally started by a pastor who feels the call on his life and works to build up taht church community. Most are small with the pastors getting little or no salaries.The statement of faith and the mission is generally that which the pastor and elders have agreed upon.
We are disciples and followers of Christ. To be a follower you must know Him. Do you know the Spirit of the risen Lord? Have you made Him the one you follow and no other?
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DebChris
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I’m glad that I am not being physically persecuted.
As you can tell from my post, I totally disagree with your statement.
I have been to other churches. I would not give up the richness of the Faith that I find within the Catholic Church, a richness that has been protected by the Holy Spirit through the generations and traces its roots directly to the 12 Apostles.
I do not find the same richness elsewhere.
As the John Michael Talbot song says, it is within the Catholic Church that I have found “the richness of my Lord.”
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Cinette
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None of your statements are “well thought out” Hisalone!
“Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be wise”
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DebChris
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It is unlikely that I would have been able to read during the 1st century of Christianity. Education was generally denied to women.
During the 1st century, the NT had not yet been written. The teachings of the Apostles were received and passed orally.
The Holy Spirit lived within the hearts of the members of The Way. That has not changed. The Holy Spirit lives within the hearts of all who believe. Our faith is not stagnate. It continues to grow as we yield our wills to the Will of God. It is this abandonment that the great Saints throughout the history of the Church have preached and demonstrated in their own lives.
The Church’s teaching is the same all over the world and throughout time. Catholic means universal.
Scripture is read literally and spiritually with the latter divided into the allegorical, moral, and anagogical senses.
CCC116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation; “All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal.”
CCC117 The spiritual sense Thanks to the unity of God’s plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
During the 1st century, the NT had not yet been written. The teachings of the Apostles were received and passed orally.
The Holy Spirit lived within the hearts of the members of The Way. That has not changed. The Holy Spirit lives within the hearts of all who believe. Our faith is not stagnate. It continues to grow as we yield our wills to the Will of God. It is this abandonment that the great Saints throughout the history of the Church have preached and demonstrated in their own lives.
The Church’s teaching is the same all over the world and throughout time. Catholic means universal.
Scripture is read literally and spiritually with the latter divided into the allegorical, moral, and anagogical senses.
CCC116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation; “All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal.”
CCC117 The spiritual sense Thanks to the unity of God’s plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
- The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ’s victory and also of Christian Baptism."
- The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written “for our instruction.”
- The anagogical sense. (Greek: anagoe, “leading”). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.
CCC118 A medieval couplet summarizes the significance of the four senses:
The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith;
The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.
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benedictus2
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Gotcha! By inference therefore from your answer, you are admitting that the Catholic Church IS the 1st Century Church, since in my post I said that the Catholic Church preceeded the Bible.
Sorry but it is in fact a well thought out statement whoever said it. The Bible is a Catholic Book.
Check this link. I promise it is a short document this time.
http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/timeline_of_how_the_bible_where.htm
Since the Catholic Church is the Church that Christ founded on earth and the Catholic Church is the new Israel, and since she is the one that came up with the canon of scriptures then yes the Bible is a Catholic book.
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Since the first known use of the word “catholic” was from a letter written by Ignatius in the second century A.D., and since the letters from the Apostles come from the first century A.D., I can see where someone would have a hard time reconciling the suggestion the the Bible is a “Catholic” creation. Yes, the bishops that came together to put together a collection of Christian writings, that came to be known as the New Testament, were all members of the “Catholic Church”, but I believe that was before there was a separation between the eastern and western branches of the Church. Maybe you could both agree that the Bible was a collection of Christian documents put together by Christians. Would that be satifactory?
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Yes it is a Christian book but specifically it is a Catholic book.
As for whether the Roman Catholic Church is the same Church then check out the two links below as regards the History of the Catholic Church and the East -West Schism
http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/timeline_of_catholic_church.htm
http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/orthodox/timeline_history_of_catholic_orthodox_relations.htm
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*Then why did God say to make *
- Cherabim for the Arc?
- a snake on a pole that people were to look on after they were biten by a snake, so they would live?
*I said to quote the passage about the prohibition and you would have seen the context. *
Some translations say “graven images” which are idols. Idols are objects of worship. THAT’s the prohibition. Don’t make idols.
Images are NOT prohibited. Making an idol IS prohibited.
Otherwise God would be violating His own law in telling the Jews to make charubim (which are likenesses of angels that are closest to God in heaven) for the top of the Arc, and later He says make a snake on a pole to ward off death for anyone bitten by a snake…
*As James says, unless one DOES what is required of faith, they don’t have faith. Therefore, they are NOT righteous either. *
What scripture are you referring to
You just denied the incarnation of God.
You wanted an OT example of a Jew praying to Abraham who was dead in the flesh but alive in the spirit, asking for his intercession. I gave it. And Jesus was the one telling the story.
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Have you ever healed the sick, given sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf? If not, then by your own definition you have not followed Christ.
The gift of healing, Christ did not and does not give to everyone. These were given to His disciples and to some whom He CHOOSES.
So what is really Jesus’s heart as you say?
1] Jesus said to Peter “Thou art Rock and upon this rock I will build my Church”
2] He gave us the Beatitudes saying Blessed are the poor, the meek, the humble of heart, the peacemaker, those who mourn, those who are persecuted for His sake.
3] Christ commandment his disciples before His death “to love one another as I have loved you. As the Father has loved me so I have loved you.”
4] He prayed to the Father that we may be one.
5] The night before His death He instituted the Eucharist commanding them to eat His Body and drink His blood. And He said unless we eat His Flesh and drink His Blood we will have no life in us.
6] At the Cross when it is so heard to breathe let alone speak he says " Mother behold thy son, Son behold thy mother’.
7] After His resurection He leaves His sheep to Peter.
8] Before His ascension he commanded them to
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, "
THAT is the heart of Jesus.
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rinnie
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Boy hisalone you sure jump from one subject to another could we just stay on one, then move on. Ok lets do this one. Where does the bible say that new pastor will get a call and we are to follow him.
Here is what the bible says
2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brethren stand firm and hold to the traditions which you wre taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.
Okay now how does that follow in with your church?
acts 17:11 who was in charge in acts ch 15 at the council of Jerusalem, the Apostles and Elders thats who. The apostles said very clearly that there were people teachings things who did not have authority to be teaching. Again where is this authority in your church, and whom did they receive it from. Who gave them this right to agree and disagree on scripture. where again is the Tradition we are taught to not stray from it. I will be back with the next comment you asked, we must keep these straight and stick to one subject though. Next subject will be different post, too confusing any other way.
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DebChris
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The first followers of Jesus Christ were called members of The Way. The word Christian means a follower of Christ. Catholic means universal. As the Church grew, it became known as the Catholic or universal church.
When I lived in WA, I went to an annual festival at the Greek Orthodox Church in Seattle. Of course there was a talk on what the Orthodox Church teaches. The Orthodox Sign of the Cross, for instance, moves from right to left in recognition of the Son sitting on the right hand side of the Father. Catholic was actually part of the complete name of the Church.
Many of our non-Catholic brothers and sisters continue to pray the Nicene Creed as part of their Sunday services. The difference is that while Catholic is written with a capital “C” when I go to Mass, it is written with a small “c” when prayed in these churches. Ours is a Universal Church. Each of us is called to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ regardless of denomination. We are called to unity with one another. We worship the same Lord.
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rinnie
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Oh now for the Pope (papa) my favorite. Did Peter know he was the Pope the leader heck yeah he knew it. Jesus gave Simon the name Peter which means rock, in Aramaic means Petros (papa) in english means Peter.
Early Christian writings tell us that Peters successors the bishops of Rome who have been called Pope which means Papa continued to exercise Peters ministry in the Church.
Early Christian writings tell us that Peters successors the bishops of Rome who have been called Pope which means Papa continued to exercise Peters ministry in the Church.
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rinnie
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hisalone, now in post 382 you really got me confused. I quoted rev 8:3-4 this is clearly done in heaven. Now you say the saints are alive in spirit dead in body, okay but what does that have to do with them praying for us. You clearly said that they can’t (remember). This needs explained better, I don’t understand what you mean. But take your time.
Now you said 1st century Christians did not pray TO eachother, I never said that. I said and I showed your scripture where they prayed for the dead. You are turning my words around again. Why do you have to do that. I don’t do that to you. I said they prayed for eachother. Big Big difference between to and for.
Now getting back to the saints if they are dead in body but alive in spirit what their prayers dont count? I don’t understand? Because rev. tells me otherwise. Help me here!
Now you said 1st century Christians did not pray TO eachother, I never said that. I said and I showed your scripture where they prayed for the dead. You are turning my words around again. Why do you have to do that. I don’t do that to you. I said they prayed for eachother. Big Big difference between to and for.
Now getting back to the saints if they are dead in body but alive in spirit what their prayers dont count? I don’t understand? Because rev. tells me otherwise. Help me here!
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rinnie
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Now you really didn’t answer this. Especially the last line. Where again does Jesus or any apostles tell us to stray away from the Church and follow another path… Because according to what you said you have a preacher, and elder and they discuss what your path will be. Correct? Or did I misunderstand you? Where did their authority come from. Because I did quote you what the Apostles said about authority right? IF you need more scripture I will get it for you. Now what about the Eucharist. Do you believe that the Eucharist is the living Christ, and how and when do you receive it. And who has the authority to change bread and wine into the living Christ. THis Power was to only be passed on through Holy Orders. It had to come down from the Apostles.
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rinnie you have been yes butting me for many pages now. When are you going to answer #1,#2 and#4???/rinnie this is so wroooooooooooooooooooooooooong
I answered everone of your questions and you never ever addressed any of my points. Please dont bear false witness.
Its a scary thing to admit that all you have been taught is false. I have been there. Is it better to seek truth or follow after falsehood?
- I gave you scripture and placed it along side of the Catholic Catechism and asked you if you could see that they say different things ----you never answered.
- I gave you quotes from Jerome and Tertullian and others and you never answered that.
- You asked about the cheribum and the serpent and I addressed that, you never responded to my objections.
- I asked you what this was and you never responded.
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In the 1st century early Christians went to synagogue on Sabboth to hear the Jewish scriptures read. Even Paul would go to the synagogue to teach the gentiles, who would be outside the outer court to here the readings and teachings, you would not have not even heard that as women were not allowed. Soo you would have heard the gospel orally just as it is given today in many differnent churches and on many different streetcorners by nonCatholics throughout the world today. The gospel of Jesus Christ is not an oral tradition it is the good news of salvation.
What criteria do you use to determine what quotes of Augusitne you use and what you overlook?
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