Catholics who know history: please answer

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benedictus2 said:
Gotcha! By inference therefore from your answer, you are admitting that the Catholic Church IS the 1st Century Church, since in my post I said that the Catholic Church preceeded the Bible.

Sorry but it is in fact a well thought out statement whoever said it. The Bible is a Catholic Book.

Check this link. I promise it is a short document this time.🙂
http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/timeline_of_how_the_bible_where.htm

Since the Catholic Church is the Church that Christ founded on earth and the Catholic Church is the new Israel, and since she is the one that came up with the canon of scriptures then yes the Bible is a Catholic book.
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The 1st century church and the RCC have many differences.
Again are you getting your sound bites from EWTN?
It is a falsehood to say the RCC is the church that Jesus began.
Your assertions are absurb and have no merit no matter how many times you say it It is not true.
 
DebChris said:
Each of us is called to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ regardless of denomination. We are called to unity with one another. We worship the same Lord.
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Finally we can agree on something.
 
benedictus2 said:
Have you ever healed the sick, given sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf? If not, then by your own definition you have not followed Christ.

The gift of healing, Christ did not and does not give to everyone. These were given to His disciples and to some whom He CHOOSES.

So what is really Jesus’s heart as you say?

1] Jesus said to Peter “Thou art Rock and upon this rock I will build my Church”

2] He gave us the Beatitudes saying Blessed are the poor, the meek, the humble of heart, the peacemaker, those who mourn, those who are persecuted for His sake.

3] Christ commandment his disciples before His death “to love one another as I have loved you. As the Father has loved me so I have loved you.”

4] He prayed to the Father that we may be one.

5] The night before His death He instituted the Eucharist commanding them to eat His Body and drink His blood. And He said unless we eat His Flesh and drink His Blood we will have no life in us.

6] At the Cross when it is so heard to breathe let alone speak he says " Mother behold thy son, Son behold thy mother’.

7] After His resurection He leaves His sheep to Peter.

8] Before His ascension he commanded them to
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, "

THAT is the heart of Jesus.
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Saving of souls is #1 on the heart of Jesus not #8
 
Hisalone said:
rinnie you have been yes butting me for many pages now. When are you going to answer #1,#2 and#4???/
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yes butting Hisalone you kill me, Okay but you have to go back and answer mine to in order. Lets start #4 Looks like everyone gathered around the Blessed Mother Praying to her son, And a Statue of her in the Middle praying to her son also. Isn’t it beautiful. Isn’t she so Pretty. I love her so. She is alway’s praying to God isn’t she? Be back to a customer im working now.
 
hisalone

one thing on praying for the dead from our Jewish brethren KADDISH.
 
rinnie said:
In brief

ccc 2141 The veneration of sacred images is based on the mystery of the Incarnation of the Word of God. It is not contrary to the first commandment. unquote.

Are you going to deny the Incarnation of the Word now?
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Hisalone did we not settle this. You yourself quoted the CCC and let me refresh your memory

2132 Your wrote it yourself. First line christian veneration of images IS NOT CONTRARY TO THE FIRST COMMANDMENT. I thought we settled this.

Lets clear all of this up once and for all

we will kill 2 birdies with one big fat stone.

Quote ccc Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) JUSTIFIED against the iconclasts the veneration of icons----OF CHRIST, but also the MOTHER OF GOD THE ANGELS and ALL THE SAINTS. By becoming incarnate the SON OF GOD INTRODUCED A NEW economy of images.

Justified again means its all good, its cool, its OKAY! There is alot of misunderstanding in the OT and NT. But that is why Jesus came and left the Apostles to explain it better.

Do you know what the Incarnation of the word of God is, then you should understand this.

That should by george explain it all. Now your turn. Take your time. By the way on my last post was working and had to go to a customer thats what I meant. sorry was typing fast.
 
Hisalone said:
Saving of souls is #1 on the heart of Jesus not #8
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The list as generated had nothing to do with priority, more with chronology albeit imperfect, if you read again.

That is why I put his words before Ascesion last. To give it DUE EMPHASIS.
 
Hisalone said:
In the 1st century early Christians went to synagogue on Sabboth to hear the Jewish scriptures read. Even Paul would go to the synagogue to teach the gentiles, who would be outside the outer court to here the readings and teachings, you would not have not even heard that as women were not allowed. Soo you would have heard the gospel orally just as it is given today in many differnent churches and on many different streetcorners by nonCatholics throughout the world today. The gospel of Jesus Christ is not an oral tradition it is the good news of salvation.
What criteria do you use to determine what quotes of Augusitne you use and what you overlook?
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It is true that the Apostles went to synagogue. After the Sabbath meeting in the synagogue, members of The Way met in homes for the Breaking of the Bread. It is during these meetings that they heard the Gospel, the good news about Jesus Christ. It is why we continue to worship on Sundays even today.
Gentiles were not allowed into the synagogues. The issue of whether or not newly converted gentiles needed to follow Jewish Law was at the heart of the Council at Jerusalem. Peter’s rooftop vision and his visit to Nicodemus became the supporting basis for not requiring adherence to Jewish law for new converts. See Acts.

We need to differentiate between Tradition (with a capital T) and tradition with a small t. Tradition (capital T) is the teachings of Jesus Christ, protected by the Holy Spirit, that have been handed to us by the Apostles and are unchangeable. Local customs that aid spirituality, tradition, change with time.

Obviously women, such as Phoebe, heard the Gospel as they opened their homes for worship. As persecutions continued, Christians were forced underground. The candles used on the altar for Mass remember the years of Christian worship inside the catacombs.
 
Hisalone said:
Saving of souls is #1 on the heart of Jesus not #8
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And who revealed this “truth” to you? Are you making things up again? Maybe respecting His Mother is Number one? or Leaving his church on Earth. Never assume yuo know anything about God. If you knew his ways wouldn’t you be GOD?
 
Hisalone said:
The 1st century church and the RCC have many differences.
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Hi His, 👋
Name two? Please don’t say something stupid like “they wore beards!” We are being serious even though you seem to be playing games. **

Again are you getting your sound bites from EWTN? **That would not be a bad idea ! Better then the err ~ 7Up club? Is that what you guys call that funny TV show? **

It is a falsehood to say the RCC is the church that Jesus began.
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No is is a falsehood to say that it isn’t the church that Jesus began. That would be like saying one of the cancerous growths started 500 years ago was the one Jesus made! How stupid would that statement be? :rolleyes**:

Your assertions are absurb and have no merit no matter how many times you say it It is not true.

**Your assertions are absurb and have no merit no matter how many times you say it It is not true. 👍 **
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"DebChris:
Each of us is called to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ regardless of denomination. We are called to unity with one another. We worship the same Lord.
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Hisalone said:
Finally we can agree on something.
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Hi Deb, 👋

I included Hisalone’s post just to show you that your statement was wrong, as stated! Hisalone has never agreed with a true statement. That made me realize it was faulty! 😃

This statement is correct:

" Each of us is called to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. We are called to unite as members of the Catholic church in order to wroship the same lord"

Watch Hisalone won’t agree!:rolleyes: We all know it is a true statement, but he will deny it! That will prove it to you! 🙂

**See Deb, the problem is Protestants do not “know” Jesus. They only know of Him. You can’t have a personal relation with someone who you haven’t ever meet, can you? Once you eat Jesus’ flesh and drink his Blood, Then and only then, is your spirit alive. Then ,and only then, can you have a real personal relationship with your lord and savior! Jesus commanded us to do that!

God Bless****
 
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CCC95 It is clear, therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of God, sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the other. Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.

**CCC1345 ** describes the Mass as described by St. Justin Martyr (155) explaining Christian celebration:
On the day we call the day of the sun, all who dwell in the city or country gather in the same place.
The memoirs of the apostles and the writings of the prophets are read, as much as times permits.
When the reader has finished, he who presides over those gathered admonishes and challenges them to imitate these beautiful things.
The we all rise together and offer prayers for ourselves…and for all others, wherever they may be found righteous by our life and actions, and faithful to the commandments, so as to obtain eternal salvation.
When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss.
Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethern.
He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks (in Greek: eucharistian) that we have been judged worthy of these gifts.
When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgiving, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: “Amen.”
When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the “eucharisted” bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent.
 
Hisalone said:
No it is not you claim a false ownership.
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Were the links too hard to read again? I am quite sure they did not go beyond your requisite number of words. Okay, I didn’t really count them but they looked short enough,

Seriously, you have to stretch your reading quota a bit to expant your intellect.

Come on. Don’t you have a better come back than that. Maybe something like PROOF? Or is that not a word you’ve come across yet?
 
Hisalone said:
The 1st century church and the RCC have many differences.
Again are you getting your sound bites from EWTN?
It is a falsehood to say the RCC is the church that Jesus began.
Your assertions are absurb and have no merit no matter how many times you say it It is not true.
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Hey sweetheart, you’re the one who responded to my question the way you did. So, deep in your subconcious you must have been thinking that the Catholic Church IS the first century Church.

Now you are saying my assertion is absurd but you havent read a single word of the link. You are one scared baby.

Do you even want to debate this issue or are you just happy throwing generalizations, hmmm?
 
CCC819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace, faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements. Christ’s spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullnes of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”

CCC820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of times…
 
DebChris said:
CCC819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace, faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements. Christ’s spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullnes of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”

CCC820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of times…
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Hi DebChris,

Thanks for this post. I think that the early Protestants were separating from what they saw as a corrupt organization and not separating from Christ Since they didn’t separate from Christ I believe that they are still a part of the Body. I don’t think that many would appreciate being called a “catholic” because I think they would assume that you were saying “Roman Catholic”.

Hi Benedictus2,

Thanks for the links, I’ve added them to my favorites. I think that maybe you and Hisalone prefer trashing each other than recognizing your common ground, namely Jesus Christ, He’s your common foundation.
 
CALLING ALL PROTESTANTS!

I just came across an interesting thread. It was started by a person who was Agnostic and who is now considering the Catholic Church! She is challenging anyone who can prove that what the Catholic Church teaches is unbiblical - you have to prove scriptually that any particular teaching is totally wrong - she will immediately quit RCIA and follow your Protestant church.

So if you want to “save her soul” here is your chance!

Here is the link: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=292938

Cheers
Cinette
 
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
hisalone

one thing on praying for the dead from our Jewish brethren KADDISH.
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What is that one thing Ive missed it.

Your certainly not saying holiness?
Why do the Jews pray for the dead? Did you see the thread on questions on the Judiasm?
 
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