Catholics who read Protestant Bibles

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preppyboy6 said:
TO everyone on this site.

I would truly prefer if you did not mention my age as any factor, what you need to understand is that i am confirmed, which makes me an adult within the Church, i realize that many of you disagree with me on my point that the protestant bible is heretical. I retain that point as a statement of fact, i have reasearched the matter thouroughly, and by the way, nobody needs to ask the pope, as Pope Pius was asked in the 1540’s and he proclaimed the protestant bible as anathaema, and you should all know as Catholics, that the Bible is certainly a matter of Faith and Morals, and you should all understand that the Pope is infallible when teaching about faith and morals. Therefore, by Papal decree, my point is both theologically and factualy solid.
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You are an adult in the Church’s eyes. You are at the age where you are responsible for your sins because you have the capacity to understand what a sin is and make choices. HOWEVER, this does not mean that respect your elders goes out the window. We still have much to learn once we are confirmed (I’m 24 BTW).

“Do not speak harshly to an older man, but speak to him as to a father, to younger men as brothers, to older women as mothers, to younger women as sisters-with absolute purity.” 1Timothy 5:1-2
 
Huiou_Theou said:
I missed something… Raccoons – in Tokyo ??? Godzilla move over…
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Ah, that raccoon was at Camp Manatoc in Ohio back in the 1970s when I was a Boy Scout. Not sure where Godzilla is hanging out these days…
 

Hilbilly Hermit wrote: *I don’t know if it has already been mentioned, but Catholic Answers has a nice tract: “Bible Translations Guide”. Catholic and Protestant translations are listed there, along with an explanation of literal and dynamic philosophies, their advantages and disadvantages. *​

Very helpful aid to help with this issue, Hermit! 👍 I love that name of yours; my paternal grandparents were from Arkansas and I always have felt a keen interest in hill folk like they.
 

Russ wrote: *Not sure where Godzilla is hanging out these days. *​

Toy stores, for one. The kids never tire of Godzilla action toys, though, admittedly, they wax and wane in relative popularity.

Rouyn-Noranda, for another. One of our three local Chinese restaurants until recently had an imposingly huge waitress who got a nickname based on Godzilla`s own name. She features in a novella, Crocodile Khader, featuring bionic animals 👍 and bio-only humans.
 

Kyle Boerner wrote: I read most of the time a Protestant Bible (there was Catholics involved in the translation though) for the simple reason that there are no Catholic Bibles in Swedish and even if I can read English Bibles it is not the same thing as reading it in your mother tongue. Valid reason? When I read English Bibles however it is The CTS New Catholic Bible and the Bible at newadvent.org which I think is the Douay-Rheims Bible, please correct me if I am wrong. However, I don’t think it is so dangerous to read Protestant Bibles.​

Hey, a fellow Swede! (I am only partially so, on my mother`s Utah side of the family, but it is something to be proud of. There are many, many Swedes in Utah.) In graduate school at Kent State University, I and an Icelander were assigned the Scandanavian language periodicals to abstract for a learnèd abstracting service. Whew! I managed to read and summarise the then-current literature in Swedish and Norwegian, but only with some struggle to do so. The Icelander handled the literature in Old Norse and Danish.

The Swedish Bible of the Reformation and many afterwards in Swedish are Lutheran. That is a good thing for a Catholic, because the sectaries who so plagued the Reformation lands elsewhere account for people of a noxious tradition (Anabaptist and Mennonite) then and their descendants today which is very condusive to the kinds of reprehensible, biassed Bible versions that so aboud in English these days. Lutheran Bibles from Europe, at least in some editions, include the Apocrypha, too, which helps enormously.
 

Patrick wrote: Trent … did not condemn the Greek source documents that Protestants were translating from.​

Indeed not! The Complutensian Polyglot, a multi-lingual Catholic Bible, included the Greek among the other languages (Septuagint O.T., original Greek N.T.). The Complutensian Greek text, furthermore, is almost compleltely in agreement with the Received Text of Holy Orthodoxy, which the Protestant Reformers, for their part, used as the basis of the translations of the N.T. which they produced. The differences between the Complutensian Greek Text and that of the Textus Receptus is, for all intents, one and the same.

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Sorry, all of you, to be making so many postings in such close sequence, but I had gotten behind with the Forum and I am catching up with it.
 
Russ_of_Tokyo said:
Ah, that raccoon was at Camp Manatoc in Ohio back in the 1970s when I was a Boy Scout. Not sure where Godzilla is hanging out these days…
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You mean Gojira. Perhaps he’s gone out for lunch with Mothra and Ultraman I warrant. 😛
 

Russ wrote: If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck.​

Or, as Russ knows so well from boyhood experience at that Ohio camp, “If it walks like a raccoon, swims like a raccoon, and chews paper like a raccoon”, then it is a glorious;u cuddly-looking (if naughty) raccoon!
 
Groan! I did it again, :eek: i.e. confusing C.A.F. names. It is Andromedus who is the Swede, not Kyle. Sorry about that, Kyle, but if you were Swedish, it would be a very good thing to be, but we like you and Andromedus just as you two really are!
 
Jerry_Parker said:
“If it walks like a raccoon, swims like a raccoon, and chews paper like a raccoon”, then it is a glorious;u cuddly-looking (if naughty) raccoon!
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If it walks like a raccoon, swims like a raccoon, quacks like a raccoon, and eats a Protestant Good News Bible, then it is a heretic.
 
Jerry_Parker said:

Hilbilly Hermit wrote: *I don’t know if it has already been mentioned, but Catholic Answers has a nice tract: “Bible Translations Guide”. Catholic and Protestant translations are listed there, along with an explanation of literal and dynamic philosophies, their advantages and disadvantages. *​

Very helpful aid to help with this issue, Hermit! 👍 I love that name of yours; my paternal grandparents were from Arkansas and I always have felt a keen interest in hill folk like they.
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Catholic Answers and EWTN have been great sources of information. I like what it says at the end of the tract, “So, which Bible is the best? Perhaps the best answer is this: The one you’ll read.” :cool:

I’ve always been in NY, but it’s a pretty rural area not far from the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains and Tug Hill Plateau region. Just got cable in December of 2011, but can still see the Amish go by in their horse and buggy on occasion. It’s a nice place to live. 🙂
 
Hillbilly Hermit wrote: *Catholic Answers and EWTN have been great sources of information. I like what it says at the end of the tract, “So, which Bible is the best? Perhaps the best answer is this: The one you’ll read.”

I’ve always been in NY, but it’s a pretty rural area not far from the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains and Tug Hill Plateau region. Just got cable in December of 2011, but can still see the Amish go by in their horse and buggy on occasion. It’s a nice place to live. *​

One thing that Preppy Boy would notice if he consulted that Catholic Answers aid on Bible versions 👍 is how much reference it makes to non-Catholic translations and paraphrases, Protestant (Lutheran, Anglican, Calvinist) ones and even those in which the sectaries (Baptists, Methodists, Campbellites, Pentecostals, neo-evangelicals, et al…) so delight. It does so quite naturally and off-handedly, while, of course, warning about the limitations of non-Catholic versions. I would suppose that Catholic Answers is more Catholic than Preppy Boy himself is, at least that is what one would expect. I used to listen to Eternal Word radio when I lived in Montréal.

I do have a large vintage shortwave radio set, but the layout of my house here makes it hard to listen to radio or recordings when moving about from one room to another, so I seldom play it anymore. I should try to verify the programming and listen to E.T. radio more selectively than I had been accustomed to hearing it on shortwave in Montréal. If I were to obtain a second shortwave radio for the back of the house that would help.

I live now in a remote area, in the Northwest of Québec, 😛 in the largest municipality of the Abitibi region (Rouyn-Noranda logging in at 40,000 souls, at that!), in the heavily forrested Northern Shield on which so much of our Dominion of Canada lies. At least there is near to no worry about earthquakes or tidal waves in these parts!

I think that all hill and mountain folk in remote areas have something in common. As a young child my step-family lived in the San Gabriel Mountains, one of the lower ranges of the Sierras (decades before those low mountains were hit-and-run-over by the encrouching Great Los Angeles population spillover). It was truly wonderful, and Lord, did it ever snow in the winter in those years of the later 1940s!! There is something really marvellous about living in such a piny region and I got my start on climbing trees,which I loved to do, at a very early age.
 
WingsOfEagles said:
You are an adult in the Church’s eyes. You are at the age where you are responsible for your sins because you have the capacity to understand what a sin is and make choices. HOWEVER, this does not mean that respect your elders goes out the window. We still have much to learn once we are confirmed (I’m 24 BTW).

“Do not speak harshly to an older man, but speak to him as to a father, to younger men as brothers, to older women as mothers, to younger women as sisters-with absolute purity.” 1Timothy 5:1-2
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Indeed. Growing up as an ‘adult’ - either in the biological or social or ecclesiastical sense - does not automatically grant one wisdom. I mean, I just turned 20 and am confirmed seven years ago but I’m hardly a ‘wise’ man. Quite the opposite, I’ll warrant. 🤷
 

I had written: Catholic Answers aid on Bible versions … [makes] much reference … to non-Catholic translations and paraphrases, Protestant (Lutheran, Anglican, Calvinist) ones and even those in which the sectaries (Baptists, Methodists, Campbellites, Pentecostals, neo-evangelicals, et al…) so delight. It does so quite naturally and off-handedly, while, of course, warning about the limitations of non-Catholic versions.​

I did not write that to exult in how tolerant C.A. is alike to the Protestant and sectarian 20th and 21st century Bible versions as well as, of course, to Catholic versions. There is a whole lot of junk among these relatively recent Bible versions and even the best of them have problems, especially for those who are concerned about the undertexts which they translate as well as the degree of loose and biassed renderings that they present. However, the C.A. guide omits a lot of the worst of the dross. Most of these versions are not even worth mentioning.

For anyone who cares (and there is no particular reason that anyone needs to), I adhere, first and foremost, to the Douay-Rheims-Challoner Version 👍 among Catholic Bibles and the grand old Authorised “King James” Bible among the truly Protestant ones (taking care to tend to interpret it, on the rare occasions needed, in the light of the Challoner Bible and the Confraternity-Douay Version).

I think that of the modern style of formal equivalence Bible, the Revised Standard Version–2nd Catholic Edition and the English Standard Version are superior to all of the others and, among paraphrases, I tolerate more readily the Catholic Truth Society`s Jerusalem Bible than other paraphrases (included among suchlike the N.A.B., which, thankfully, is not the Bible of the liturgy in Canada or in the U.K.). The Confraternity-Douay Version, so long neglected, is the best of the 20th century versions, Catholic or Protestant. All of the others are curiosities that occasionally have some use, but, for me, that is about the most that one can say of them or, certainly all that I will say of them.
 
garysibio said:
I don’t find it disturbing that a Catholic would use a Protestant Bible; I find it disturbing that the Catholic Church seems completely unable to come up with a modern English translation that doesn’t include inclusive language or some other lame attempt to promote a liberal social agenda.
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This is why I frequently turn to my NIV Study Bible and my Liberty Commentary Bible.

I do wish the original DR would be published. Outstanding notes. If anyone wants a Pdf of the original, PM me.
 

Legis wrote: I find it disturbing that the Catholic Church seems completely unable to come up with a modern English translation that doesn’t include inclusive language or some other lame attempt to promote a liberal social agenda.​

Yes! Yes, Legis! That is part of what is so galling for Catholics who are converts or reverts. Protestants produced marvellous Bibles over the centuries that so contrast with the pewling Catholic ones which, according to the likes of Preppy Boy who does not know much of any better, would doom us to use exclusively.

The Douay-Rheims-Challoner Bible is outstanding and the Confraternity-Douay was excellent, too, but the few others of better quality (apart from the rather lovely paraphrase that the Jerusalem Bible is) we mostly have to adapt from Protestant 20th century Bibles which, even after changes for Catholic editions, have all kinds of residual problems. This makes for a sad situation.
 
If the Confraternity New Testament and the Douay Rheims Challoner Old Testament are indeed not still under copyright would it be possible to revise them and print them?

I know it would be wrong for a Catholic to do so because all new translations of the bible should use the original language texts but would it be OK for a non Catholic to do so and publish it without an imprimatur?

Would it be OK for an Orthodox to do such a thing?
 

Jerry Jet wrote: If the Confraternity New Testament and the Douay Rheims Challoner Old Testament are indeed not still under copyright would it be possible to revise them and print them?​

There is at lelast one reprint in recent years of the Confraternity-Douay Version. The edition of it that I came across on Amazon (.ca, perhaps, rather than .com) is hard to retrace, but it was an “art edition”, very lavish and expensive. Since the Confraternity-Douay Bible (1941 Confraternity N.T. and entirely or partly Douay-Challoner O.T.) is readily available second-hand (at least on Amazon), what would be a real service would be to reprint the only exceedingly briefly issued complete and excellent Confraternity Bible (1941 Confraternity N.T. with the then just-completed Confraternity 1969 O.T.), which was yanked off the market when the inferior New American Bible (N.A.B.) appeared in 1970. Apparently it the completed Confraternity Bible (1969 text) still is available in the Philippines, but it is devilishly difficult to track down copies of it here in North America!

I wrote reviews of the various Confraternity-Douay Bibles for the Amazon WWW sites which explain the complex edition development of this version.
 
That’s a lot better than Catholics who don’t read bibles at all. It’s a lot better than Progressive Catholics.
 

gcharles wrote: That’s a lot better than Catholics who don’t read bibles at all. It’s a lot better than Progressive Catholics.​

This is not a merely potential matter. Many of the problems, large and small, with Roman Catholic Bible versions since 1970 is that so often it is the “Progressive” (i.e., doubting or outright unbelieving) Catholic academics who produce them. Their notes to their translations reveal the devillish “cloven hoof” :eek: about these versions most obviously, but the biasses of undertexts, of translation approach, and of somewhat perverse (or worse) renderings reveal their wrong or just bad intentions. The same, of course, is true and often worse chez les Protestant(e)s.
 
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