Catholics Worship Mary?

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Chris LaRock:
Isn’t there a Catholic prayer that includes the words “…Queen of Heaven, we worship thee with all our hearts…”? I heard someone reading such a prayer from a Catholic prayer book. What can you tell me about this?
I’ve never seen that prayer, but “worship” didn’t always mean just worship for God alone (latria). Look in the OT. People always “worship” the king, etc. People in England often called the queen “your worship.” Worship doesn’t necessarily mean “latria” it can sometimes mean “dulia” (a high degree of veneration) although nowadays it’s used almost exclusively for “latria.”
 
Chris LaRock:
Isn’t there a Catholic prayer that includes the words “…Queen of Heaven, we worship thee with all our hearts…”? I heard someone reading such a prayer from a Catholic prayer book. What can you tell me about this?
Chris I believe you are correct in stating that there is such a prayer although I cannot remember it just now. The key to this discussion has already been touched on but not in the ‘present’ time context.
For an example of a present time context we are called to love God and neighbour. We all know that the command to love our neighbour does not require us to love in the same manner as we are commanded to love God. And yet the difference is subtle in words but vastly different in practice! To explain this in English is hard if not impossible and so we use the original language the scripture was written in to describe the three words used then to describe the differing forms of love. One word for love for God, another for spousal love and a third for fraternal love.
In the same manner we have no word that differentiates the worship due God and the worship due humans. In the orignal Greek or Hebrew, (I don’t know if it is both or one), there were two words to differentiate this ‘worship’.
In a vision I was given I was shown how exalted Our Blessed Mary is above me and how miniscule I appear in comparison. Then I was shown how far above Mary is the Trinity and how tiny is Our Mother compared to Them and yet how vastly higher than us.
The ‘worship’ I give Mary is that due to a perfect person, one who only does the will of God and who has only done the Will of God. Just as I asked my earthly mother to intercede for me with my earthly father because of his love for her and the heavier weight her words would carry with him, so also do I implore and honour our Mother.
Sorry this is the best I can do for now. Hope it helps.
 
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John-the-Seeker:
Chris I believe you are correct in stating that there is such a prayer although I cannot remember it just now. The key to this discussion has already been touched on but not in the ‘present’ time context.
For an example of a present time context we are called to love God and neighbour. We all know that the command to love our neighbour does not require us to love in the same manner as we are commanded to love God. And yet the difference is subtle in words but vastly different in practice! To explain this in English is hard if not impossible and so we use the original language the scripture was written in to describe the three words used then to describe the differing forms of love. One word for love for God, another for spousal love and a third for fraternal love.
In the same manner we have no word that differentiates the worship due God and the worship due humans. In the orignal Greek or Hebrew, (I don’t know if it is both or one), there were two words to differentiate this ‘worship’.
In a vision I was given I was shown how exalted Our Blessed Mary is above me and how miniscule I appear in comparison. Then I was shown how far above Mary is the Trinity and how tiny is Our Mother compared to Them and yet how vastly higher than us.
The ‘worship’ I give Mary is that due to a perfect person, one who only does the will of God and who has only done the Will of God. Just as I asked my earthly mother to intercede for me with my earthly father because of his love for her and the heavier weight her words would carry with him, so also due I implore and honour our Mother.
Sorry this is the best I can do for now. Hope it helps.
I think we should use the Greek to distinguish the different types of worship/veneration/honor.

Latria is a Greek term used in Roman Catholic theology to refer to the highest form of worship of God. It is sacrificial in character, and may be offered only to God. Roman Catholics offer other degrees of reverence to the Blessed Virgin Mary and to the Saints; these non-sacrificial types of reverence are called Hyperdulia and Dulia, respectively. This distinction, written about as early as St. Augustine and St. Jerome, was detailed more explicitly by St. Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologica, A.D. 1270, II II, 84, 1: “Reverence is due to God on account of His excellence, which is communicated to certain creatures not in equal measure, but according to a measure of proportion; and so the reverence which we pay to God, and which belongs to latria, differs from the reverence which we pay to certain excellent creatures; this belongs to dulia, and we shall speak of it further on (II II 103 3)”; in this next article St. Thomas writes: “Wherefore dulia, which pays due service to a human lord, is a distinct virtue from latria, which pays due service to the lordship of God. It is, moreover, a species of observance, because by observance we honor all those who excel in dignity, while dulia properly speaking is the reverence of servants for their master, dulia being the Greek for servitude.” From St. Thomas it is apparent that a clear distinction exists among latria and forms of dulia within Catholic theology.

Speaking of the four different forms of love: The four Greek words for our word love are storge (affection), philia (friendship), eros (sexual or romantic love) and agape (selfless love).
 
Christians;
You ask why the Catholic Church holds Mary to such high regard. I have to ask why don’t you? I have never understood the concerns that some people have over the “Worship” of Mary. First of all we don’t worship Mary, we ask Mary for her intercession.
Lets be blunt, she is the ****“Mother of our Lord”. ****Luke 1:43
Who chose to be the first Christian? **Mary. **Luke 1:38
Who is mentioned in the New Testament more than any apostle except for Peter? ****Mary. ****
Who wept and stayed with the lord at the foot of his cross? ****Mary. ****
Who spent the most time with Christ during his life? ****Mary. ****
Even Martin Luther expresses the belief that the Gospels praise Mary sufficiently by calling her (eight times) ****the Mother of Jesus. ****
Would you want me to talk about your mother with the same distaste as you have for the ****Mother of our Lord? ****
And he came to her and said, "Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you! " Luke 1:28
and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! Luke 1:42
Hail Mary, Full of Grace.
The Lord is with you.
Blessed are you amongst women.
And blessed fruit of your womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God.
Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen


The “Hail Mary” is a composite of the Angel Gabriel’s greeting (Luke 1:28) and Elizabeth’s greeting (Luke 1:42), both to Mary. It has been a popular prayer since the eleventh century. The name Jesus was added in the thirteenth century. Various versions of the Holy Mary emerged in the fourteenth century and were in general use soon there after. All of this occurred before the reformation.
On the third day there was a marriage at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there; Jesus also was invited to the marriage, with his disciples. When the wine failed, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “O woman, what have you to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.” Now six stone jars were standing there, for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons. 7 Jesus said to them, “Fill the jars with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. He said to them, “Now draw some out, and take it to the steward of the feast.” So they took it. When the steward of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the steward of the feast called the bridegroom and said to him, “Every man serves the good wine first; and when men have drunk freely, then the poor wine; but you have kept the good wine until now.” John 2:1-10
We Catholics do not worship Mary, as for any prayer to Saints we ask for their intersession, like a prayer chain. Mary prompted Jesus at the wedding to help with the dilemma of no wine. Without Mary’s intercession would there have been a miracle? Can she not do the same for us? Will Jesus send people to hell because they adhere to the commandments and love his mother as he did?

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The Catechism of the Catholic Church Explains:
Paragraph 6. Mary—Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church
963 Since the Virgin Mary’s role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer. . . . She is ‘clearly the mother of the members of Christ’ . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head."502 "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church."503

I. Mary’s Motherhood with Regard to the Church
Wholly united with her Son . . .
964 Mary’s role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. “This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ’s virginal conception up to his death”;504 it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:
Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross. There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother’s heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her: to be given, by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: "Woman, behold your son."505

965 After her Son’s Ascension, Mary "aided the beginnings of the Church by her prayers."506 In her association with the apostles and several women, "we also see Mary by her prayers imploring the gift of the Spirit, who had already overshadowed her in the Annunciation."507

. . . also in her Assumption

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son’s Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:
In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509
. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace

967 By her complete adherence to the Father’s will, to his Son’s redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church’s model of faith and charity. Thus she is a “preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church”; indeed, she is the “exemplary realization” (typus)510 of the Church.

968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. "In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior’s work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace."511

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfilment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

970 "Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."513 "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."514

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II. Devotion to the Blessed Virgin
971 “All generations will call me blessed”: "The Church’s devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."515 The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of ‘Mother of God,’ to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."516 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an “epitome of the whole Gospel,” express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.517

III. Mary—Eschatological Icon of the Church
972 After speaking of the Church, her origin, mission, and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary. In her we contemplate what the Church already is in her mystery on her own “pilgrimage of faith,” and what she will be in the homeland at the end of her journey. There, “in the glory of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity,” "in the communion of all the saints,"518 the Church is awaited by the one she venerates as Mother of her Lord and as her own mother.
In the meantime the Mother of Jesus, in the glory which she possesses in body and soul in heaven, is the image and beginning of the Church as it is to be perfected in the world to come. Likewise she shines forth on earth, until the day of the Lord shall come, a sign of certain hope and comfort to the pilgrim People of God.519

In Brief
973 By pronouncing her “fiat” at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.
974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son’s Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.
975 “We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ” (Paul VI, CPG § 15).

MARY
Lk 1:28, 30 - angel: “full of grace, found favor with God”
Lk 1:42- Elizabeth: “most blessed among women”
Lk 1;48- Mary: “all generations will call me blessed”

Mother of God
Lk 1:43- Elizabeth call her "mother of my Lord"mod
Mt 1:23 -virgin bear a son, Emmanuel = “God is with us”
Lk 1:35 - child born will be called holy, the Son of God
Gal 4:4 - God sent his Son, born of a woman

“Too many men are interested in looking holy instead of being holy” - St. Gregory the Great
What are your traditions, write them down, put it in your catechism.
I am not the enemy, I am Christian, I am Catholic.
Peace,
David
 
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