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How can it violate natural law if it practiced in nature by over 400 species? Seems pretty natural to me.
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prettylarge
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What do you mean it is not logical? In what way is it not logical?It is more than morals. The homosexual act is not logical and it violates the natural law.
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buffalo
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C’mon - let’s not be naive. The male member does not belong in the excrement outlet of another male.What do you mean it is not logical? In what way is it not logical?
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buffalo
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Yes, but natural law is not only known to Catholics. This is fundamental to all humans regardless of creed.I think this is rooted in the Catholic belief that the only purpose for sex is procreation, no?
Catholics understand the marital embrace to be for procreative and unitive purposes.
Logically one can see that if all humans sterilized themselves that the human race would not continue.
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buffalo
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Here again ignorance of natural law is shown. Do some research on natural law and come back to me.How can it violate natural law if it practiced in nature by over 400 species? Seems pretty natural to me.
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Hosh
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Like I said before if you want to take a stance on this go with the pathological model. I know that would be acknowledging evolution, but it does happen in nature, and it does serve a purpose. So is it okay to stick my member in the oral inlet? People chew on popsicle sticks, theres no logical reason to do that, Is that sinful?Here again ignorance of natural law is shown. Do some research on natural law and come back to me.
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buffalo
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Again, what purpose does it serve?Like I said before if you want to take a stance on this go with the pathological model. I know that would be acknowledging evolution, but it does happen in nature, and it does serve a purpose. So is it okay to stick my member in the oral inlet? People chew on popsicle sticks, theres no logical reason to do that, Is that sinful?
Killing a murderer serves a purpose too.
What do you think of the pathological model?
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Hosh
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In the animal kingdom: social bonding/social order/species survival. In humans: sex feels good, makes us happy, and it builds intimacy.Again, what purpose does it serve?
Killing a murderer serves a purpose too.
What do you think of the pathological model?
I think Gregory Cochran needs to repair the fallacies in The Natural History of the Ashkenazi Jews… hes an idiot… He oversimplifies evolutionary selection.
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You should like this:In the animal kingdom: social bonding/social order/species survival. In humans: sex feels good, makes us happy, and it builds intimacy.
I think Gregory Cochran needs to repair the fallacies in The Natural History of the Ashkenazi Jews… hes an idiot.
Judaism’s Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality
When Judaism demanded that all sexual activity be channeled into marriage, it changed the world. The Torah’s prohibition of non-marital sex quite simply made the creation of Western civilization possible.
Societies that did not place boundaries around sexuality were stymied in their development. The subsequent dominance of the Western world can largely be attributed to the sexual revolution initiated by Judaism and later carried forward by Christianity. This revolution consisted of forcing the sexual genie into the marital bottle. It ensured that sex no longer dominated society, heightened male-female love and sexuality (and thereby almost alone created the possibility of love and eroticism within marriage), and began the arduous task of elevating the status of women.
It is probably impossible for us, who live thousands of years after Judaism began this process, to perceive the extent to which undisciplined sex can dominate man’s life and the life of society. Throughout the ancient world, and up to the recent past in many parts of the world, sexuality infused virtually all of society.
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Hosh
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If your asking me if that if we knew the “gay genes” and could alter them before conception would I have a problem with that? I would be all for it, but that’s not how people are in the hear and now. Hopefully someday were all be smooth underneath.You should like this:
Judaism’s Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality
When Judaism demanded that all sexual activity be channeled into marriage, it changed the world. The Torah’s prohibition of non-marital sex quite simply made the creation of Western civilization possible.
Societies that did not place boundaries around sexuality were stymied in their development. The subsequent dominance of the Western world can largely be attributed to the sexual revolution initiated by Judaism and later carried forward by Christianity. This revolution consisted of forcing the sexual genie into the marital bottle. It ensured that sex no longer dominated society, heightened male-female love and sexuality (and thereby almost alone created the possibility of love and eroticism within marriage), and began the arduous task of elevating the status of women.
It is probably impossible for us, who live thousands of years after Judaism began this process, to perceive the extent to which undisciplined sex can dominate man’s life and the life of society. Throughout the ancient world, and up to the recent past in many parts of the world, sexuality infused virtually all of society.
more…
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It’s unlikely there will be a way to alter a homosexual gene since there is none. However, as we learn more we may be able to affirmatively strengthen the nurturing in the womb and early childhood to have less estrogenic damage and stronger father bondingIf your asking me if that if we knew the “gay genes” and could alter them before conception would I have a problem with that? I would be all for it, but that’s not how people are in the hear and now. Hopefully someday were all be smooth underneath.
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You say the reason for human sex is that it feels good and makes us happy (among other things).In the animal kingdom: social bonding/social order/species survival. In humans: sex feels good, makes us happy, and it builds intimacy.
I think Gregory Cochran needs to repair the fallacies in The Natural History of the Ashkenazi Jews… hes an idiot… He oversimplifies evolutionary selection.
Does this give a free pass to do anything that makes us feel good or makes us happy?
We have laws against certain drugs, but they make us feel good or happy, should these laws be lifted?
We do not allow polygamy, incest, bestiality, etc. but these things make some people feel good or make them happy? (And if you want to try and say “The animal can’t consent” I disagree on two levels. First, if the animal was not consenting it would fight to get away. If it stands there and takes it, it must like it. Second, from an evolutionary standpoint we are superior to animals, so we have the right to do what ever we want. We already slaughter them for food (and I am sure they consent to that) so why not use them for pleasure and happiness?
Simply because something feels good or makes someone happy, is not a reason to allow it.
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So how exactly are we supposed to find something that doesn’t exist? This is like me telling you to find a needle in a haystack. You start looking, you look at every piece of straw and you find nothing. I say “You might have missed it, sorry I do not believe it, there is a needle in that haystack.” That is absurd.I’m sorry but the whole “they haven’t found a gay gene” argument needs to stop. We know many mental disorders are genetic because of the high coincidence in family members, but we have yet to understand the genetic factors for a single one. Just because we mapped the human genome doesn’t mean we understand it.
I think you are refering to “Harrison Bergeron” by Kurt Vonnegut, I read it also around 4th grade (some nice light reading at that time).The word “wrong” is very subjective. Is there something wrong if a person was born with extraordinary musical skill, or high I.Q.? It’s atypical gene expression and it does no harm, but is that wrong? I wish I could remember the name of the book, its geared towards children and I read it along time ago in 4th grade… It was a society were societal sameness was enforced. It was about a kid who had 20/20 vision so they made him wear glasses that impeded his vision.
I see your point, but you have not proven it applies to homosexuality. I can claim cannibalism is something that should be allowed. Maybe eating the flesh of other humans would allow us to grow stronger and be more intelligent. This is also absurd.
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Sorry, Freudian theories on Sexuality have been entirely rejected by every single valid and competent medical institution on the face of the earth.Which is early childhood development of overbonding with the mother and an absent father.
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Kevin42
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The claim that there are no genes that influence one to be homosexual is simply ignorant, and not based in anything but uniformed pondering about an issue. People who would make this claim obviously don’t appreciate the complexities of the human body.
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chessmane4e5
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Clearly I am ignorant. Could you please cite the scientific evidence that clearly shows homosexuality to be genetic?The claim that there are no genes that influence one to be homosexual is simply ignorant, and not based in anything but uniformed pondering about an issue. People who would make this claim obviously don’t appreciate the complexities of the human body.
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Hosh
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Your Ignorant because: A) You think because we’ve mapped the human genome the genes for homosexuality would be obvious. B) Anyone who has any actual interest in psychology knows just about everything has a genetic base. C) You ignore the plethora of physiological and neurological differences which can pretty much only be explained by genetics, and D) many Homosexuals had healthy and normal childhoods, but state they have felt attracted to the same sex for as long as they can remember.Clearly I am ignorant. Could you please cite the scientific evidence that clearly shows homosexuality to be genetic?
And there is evidence that Fetal testosterone/estrogen has a role in young childrens play behaviors.
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Actually I have research the psychology behind homosexuality, but from what I have found is that it is the same as every other mental disorder.Your Ignorant because: A) You think because we’ve mapped the human genome the genes for homosexuality would be obvious. B) Anyone who has any actual interest in psychology knows just about everything has a genetic base. C) You ignore the plethora of physiological and neurological differences which can pretty much only be explained by genetics, and D) many Homosexuals had healthy and normal childhoods, but state they have felt attracted to the same sex for as long as they can remember.
And there is evidence that Fetal testosterone/estrogen has a role in young childrens play behaviors.
The APA (American Psychology Association) took homosexuality off the list of mental disorders because homosexuality per se does not cause harm.
I would argue that it does cause harm, namely spiritual harm, although their is scientific evidence of the physical harm is can cause (i.e. anal sex).
But you also ignore that there are numerous cases of homosexuals changing to heterosexuals with therapy. So at the very most, you can only claim that some homosexuals can not change.
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It was removed for political reasons.Happy and fulfilling means Maslow’s theory of Self-Actualization, and that’s why it was removed from the DSM, because homosexuality doesn’t predispose interference with this. Maslows theory was partially based off Einstein. Lincoln was also very healthy and satisfied with his life. His depression could easily have been caused by being ostracized for his dissenting views, and fighting against an archaic society. Much of which could be said for why Homosexuals might become depressed. The other 3 Van Gogh, and Newton may have been exposed to toxins which caused mental breakdowns, and Hemingway may have had a genetic disease…
You position seems to be if one claims to be well adjusted and not depressed they are “healthy” regardless of whether their inclinations and actions are correctly ordered.
This is relativism which is not surprising.
So, if one really finds robbing banks make them happy then they are healthy.
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Hosh
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That would be infringing on others right to happiness. Guess what? when you bang your wife its not going to affect me, just like two dudes or chicks doing the nasty isn’t going to to affect me either.So, if one really finds robbing banks make them happy then they are healthy.
And no, it wasn’t taken out of the DSM for politcal reasons. If that were so why would they be debating removing Pedophilia for the DSM-V? (it will stay).
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