Cause of homosexuality

[buffalo]

Dear Fix,

Yes, that is a true statement. It is still a true statement even if no genetic factors are evident.

Fix, the issue is about discrimination. Does a minority not have equal rights? Are you and Mr. Buffalo seriously stating that it’s morally acceptable to be discriminated against?

Blessed be, Dousias

Every human has an equal human dignity, The homosexual act is not an issue of discrimination,

 

[buffalo]

But it can be in a woman??

D.

Who advanced that argument?

 

[peary1]

this is just a theological theory I’ve be working on and just looking for some creative critism and (name removed by moderator)ut on it (is still work in progress). Homosexuality is cused on the spiritual level by a desire/love for Jesus Christ that in unknown and as it is unknown this desire is directed towards other men. the transgendered male to female is caused by the fact that the human soul is femine is structure though not always in personality. they have such an intuitive knowledge of this that they come to belive they are really female. the female to male transgendered have an unknown desire to be like Jesus christ that they come to think like the male to female that they are really men. lesbians have a desire to be like the virgine mary so much this is projected onto other women. the key to this theological theory is love of god is deep seated in their souls but unknown so the love they have for god is coverted into the realm of sexuality. Any (name removed by moderator)ut on this would be great thanks.

It’s interesting but it doesn’t pass for a stable theological construct. It isn’t even good psychiatry! Sorry.

 

[Timothy_Piper]

this is just a theological theory I’ve be working on and just looking for some creative critism and (name removed by moderator)ut on it (is still work in progress). Homosexuality is cused on the spiritual level by a desire/love for Jesus Christ that in unknown and as it is unknown this desire is directed towards other men. the transgendered male to female is caused by the fact that the human soul is femine is structure though not always in personality. they have such an intuitive knowledge of this that they come to belive they are really female. the female to male transgendered have an unknown desire to be like Jesus christ that they come to think like the male to female that they are really men. lesbians have a desire to be like the virgine mary so much this is projected onto other women. the key to this theological theory is love of god is deep seated in their souls but unknown so the love they have for god is coverted into the realm of sexuality. Any (name removed by moderator)ut on this would be great thanks.

Start all over again.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

For the etiology (causes) of eroticised samesex attraction, watch the 17 minute video at www.homosexuality101.com. Even though 17 minutes is in no way enough time to thoroughly explain the psychology behind samesex attraction, it will help explain a lot.

I would say that many people who have SSA have felt like outcasts, or felt a subjective sense of feeling different, most of their lives. I do think that not feeling accepted and not feeling like you fit in is a major factor in why many people with SSA form their identity around their sexual attraction (which is what happens when someone refers to himself as a homosexual or a heterosexual) and join gay communities.

BINGO!!!

We have a winner!

As a person who is afflicted with this damnable SSA, I can attest that what is posted here is absolutely true! I’ve only started to see the light at the end of the tunnel when I became good friends with a straight man who, in all honestly, has been the kind of friend I’ve needed all these years. This is something a lot of people don’t get…SSA is NOT ABOUT SEX. It’s about how we relate to members of the same sex. Normally, same-sex love needs (yes, we all have them) are met in a non-sexual way with friends in our youth. Some of us weren’t popular or were outright rejected by our peers…or somewhere along that spectrum. The same-sex love need become eroticized as we go through puberty, even if we don’t realize it until later…I didn’t realize I was SSA until I was around 20-21…even though I had same-sex interests before that.

Bear in mind…books have been written on this subject…I have at least four books on the subject.

Actually, there are a lot of factors involved, but I do know this: having a male friend I can talk to about anything (he knows ALL about me) who I know won’t put me down or judge me harshly has been a great help. I’m actually starting to become interested in women for the first time since high school (I’m 38 years old now) and I credit this friendship as a major part of the healing process that I’ve longed for and needed all these years.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

People have such strange ideas about homosexuals here, many are very very judmental. Also the strange idea peope have about “the homosexual lifestyle” do not match anything i experience and im bisex myself. Judge, judge, judge and keep your eyes closed people. I really feel sorry for kids you get and that may turn out to be gay. They will have horrible parents.

A bunch of straight people deciding “people cant be born gay”. If you have no gay feelings, your arrogant to simply assume you know what its like and close your ears to get to know what homosexual and bixesual people actually experience. Arrogant and judgemental.

No wonder USA gays are so dang frustrated, here where christians are much more tolerant, gay people are much more happy, less frustrated and way less teen suicides too. So many people on this forum have no idea what they do to others with their hate and judgement.

Oh dear…I agree with some of what you say, but STRONGLY disagree with the implication that someone can be “born gay.” It doesn’t make any sense…I believe that no one chooses to have same-sex attractions, but factors all tend to work together so that one turns out same-sex attracted.

I do agree where you say that many Christians are judgmental towards people with SSA (not just the active ones, but ALL SSA people). The Church specifically tells us that people with SSA are to be treated with respect and compassion, not have fingers put under their noses and being told that they’re nothing more than fuel for the fires of hell.

 

[Dousias]

Dear Dousias,

No, it (male member) does not belong there (the anus) either. The only reason to put it there is because of pleasure, but there are lots of medical reasons not to put it there. Also, if we allow it based on pleasure alone, then we open ourselves to a slippery slope of pleasures.

Hi Chessman,

I think that particular act is just one of many that couples (or even solo…) can do for shared or personal joy. As long as it’s consenting and between adults then what difference would it make for those not involved? If you or I choose to abstain from certain acts is one thing, but saying other people should or shouldn’t do something is another thing.

I still don’t get this concept of “joy” or “pleasure” as anything but a positive aspect of life. Are we supposed to be joyless or in “displeasure?” Is there something to be gained by denying joy or pleasure?

Blessed be, Dousias

 

[Dousias]

I also have a theory. So why is yours better than mine? Science does not have the evidence to prove their theory (unless your links provide that )

I am interested to see this new discovery that scientists have found. I will need a day or two to read the information from you linked sources. I hope that you read the information I posted as well, I know it can be long, but we are dealing with a complex issue.

Hi again…

The Biblical and Koranic visions of God don’t support modern cosmology. The God they describe was based on an ancient cosmology that has been superseded by modern concepts of science and sociality.

My vision supports what we know of physics and what we do not know. Part of that “not knowing” explains the unexplainable nature of whatever the “God Essence” is. Someday what we call “metaphysics” and “paranormal” will be well understood. It will be just as natural as any other natural effect.

You and I are neither right or wrong. We are seekers of truth and understanding. Our paths may differ but the goal is the same.

Blessed be, Dousias

 

[peary1]

What came first the chicken or the egg?

I always thought it was the rooster.

 

[Dousias]

There is no one alive that was born in a vacuum. You are not able to sort this all out yourself in vacuum. Whether you believe it or not you are not the independent thinker you claim. Where do you get your guidance?

Hi Buffalo,

Explain what you mean: “Born in a vacuum.”

“You am not the independent thinker you claim.” I’m not? I would say I am just a “little” more open minded than most out here!

My guidance comes from the best source… experience. Doctrine may contain truths and falsehoods, dogma may contain reality and untruths. Experience reveals those falsehoods and untruths as well as truths and realities. Guidance sources from stepping outside the system one is in and looking and thinking back towards the system to let it reveal it’s positives and negatives. No one, repeat, NO ONE who resides within a system will be able to know the total truth because they “are” the system. Anyone who follows a specific path will naturally believe that path is the only True Path because they are told that by the system. That fact is common to many modern religions and many pre-Christian belief systems too. If one looks up the earmarks of cults, they will find striking similarities to dogmatic religions.

Guidance sources from many philosophies as they all have useful, positive aspects. I recognize the negative aspects and dismiss them and seek those parts that serve Who I Really Am.

Blessed be, Dousias

 

[Dousias]

Every human has an equal human dignity, The homosexual act is not an issue of discrimination,

Discrimination is bad, tolerance is good.

 

[Dousias]

Who advanced that argument?

See answer to Chessman in a previous letter.

 

[Dousias]

I always thought it was the rooster.

Don’t need a rooster when we believe animals conceive without sex!

Hmmm… (What is Dousias saying here…!) LOL!

EVERYBODY! Get off this forum and be with your families! Merry Christmas!

Peace unto You, Dousias

 

[edwest2]

Here is what the Catholic Medical Association has to say about the causes of homosexuality:

narth.com/docs/hope.html

Peace,
Ed

 

[BobObob]

Discrimination is bad, tolerance is good.

Neither discrimination nor tolerance are good or bad per se.

Discrimination and tolerance are both good or bad depending insofar as what you are discriminating or tolerating is good or bad and insofar as your reason for doing so is good or bad.

 

[Dousias]

Neither discrimination nor tolerance are good or bad per se.

Discrimination and tolerance are both good or bad depending insofar as what you are discriminating or tolerating is good or bad and insofar as your reason for doing so is good or bad.

Yes, yes, I see what you mean. We are not speaking of machine tool tolerance or drug tolerance but the number one definition:

1. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one’s own; freedom from bigotry.

And for discrimination:

1. an act or instance of discriminating.
2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

Now we have limited the possible definitions to a narrower window and one can see there really is no positive in being discriminatory. Under this definition can discrimination ever be “right?” Is being tolerant somehow “bad?”

But back to the true question, are gays being discriminated against by a body of people? Should that body of people be more tolerant?

And the bigger question is what does the public in general think when they see a group actively pursuing discriminatory practices? That is what I would be thinking about.

Blessed be, Dousias

 

[vmalocha]

OR maybe you can spend your time on something that makes sense. How about the mother’s previous experience with hormones in birth control pills and the effect on a fetus? Now I think you might have a hypothesis.

 

[Hosh]

OR maybe you can spend your time on something that makes sense. How about the mother’s previous experience with hormones in birth control pills and the effect on a fetus? Now I think you might have a hypothesis.

That would be extremely parsimonious. One would want to question if there religious dogma is there primary motivation before coming to such.

 

[Zoe_Brain]

That would be extremely parsimonious. One would want to question if there religious dogma is there primary motivation before coming to such.

See:
Prenatal exposure to diethylstilbestrol(DES) in males and gender-related disorders:results from a 5-year study by S.Kerlin

• Among the most significant findings from this study is the high prevalence of individuals with confirmed or strongly suspected prenatal DES exposure who self-identify as male-to-female transsexual or transgender, and individuals who have reported experiencing difficulties with gender dysphoria.
In this study, more than 150 individuals with confirmed or suspected prenatal DES exposure reported moderate to severe feelings of gender dysphoria across the lifespan. For most, these feelings had apparently been present since early childhood. The prevalence of a significant number of self-identified male-to-female transsexuals and transgendered individuals as well as some individuals who identify as intersex, androgynous, gay or bisexual males has inspired fresh investigation of historic theories about a possible biological/endocrine basis for psychosexual development in humans, including sexual orientation, core gender identity, and sexual identity (Benjamin, 1973; Cohen-Kettenis and Gooren, 1999; Diamond, 1965, 1996; Michel et al, 2001; Swaab, 2004).

DES appears to cause transsexuality and other intersex conditions. When it doesn’t, it may cause a homosexual or bisexual sexual orientation.

 

[buffalo]

Hi Buffalo,

Explain what you mean: “Born in a vacuum.”

“You am not the independent thinker you claim.” I’m not? I would say I am just a “little” more open minded than most out here!

My guidance comes from the best source… experience. Doctrine may contain truths and falsehoods, dogma may contain reality and untruths. Experience reveals those falsehoods and untruths as well as truths and realities. Guidance sources from stepping outside the system one is in and looking and thinking back towards the system to let it reveal it’s positives and negatives. No one, repeat, NO ONE who resides within a system will be able to know the total truth because they “are” the system. Anyone who follows a specific path will naturally believe that path is the only True Path because they are told that by the system. That fact is common to many modern religions and many pre-Christian belief systems too. If one looks up the earmarks of cults, they will find striking similarities to dogmatic religions.

Guidance sources from many philosophies as they all have useful, positive aspects. I recognize the negative aspects and dismiss them and seek those parts that serve Who I Really Am.

Blessed be, Dousias

If you were left on a deserted island at birth what would you know?

Being born in a Christian society has an enormous effect on your thinking.

Catholics trust the experience and wisdom of the Catholic Church for moral guidance and a joyous life. We trust Revelation. We trust Jesus.