Cause of homosexuality

[Aboveallbereal]

Hi again…

The Biblical and Koranic visions of God don’t support modern cosmology. The God they describe was based on an ancient cosmology that has been superseded by modern concepts of science and sociality.

My vision supports what we know of physics and what we do not know. Part of that “not knowing” explains the unexplainable nature of whatever the “God Essence” is. Someday what we call “metaphysics” and “paranormal” will be well understood. It will be just as natural as any other natural effect.

You and I are neither right or wrong. We are seekers of truth and understanding. Our paths may differ but the goal is the same.

Blessed be, Dousias

The second paragraph here is as profound an article of faith as any other on here. The notion that physics is going to be able to explain metaphysics is both bizarre and revelatory of its position as a de facto God in modern discourse. It doesn’t even pretend to deal with metaphysical questions yet we have belief that it will answer them all.

 

[BobObob]

See:
Prenatal exposure to diethylstilbestrol(DES) in males and gender-related disorders:results from a 5-year study by S.Kerlin

DES appears to cause transsexuality and other intersex conditions. When it doesn’t, it may cause a homosexual or bisexual sexual orientation.

I’m not familiar with DES, but it may be etiologically related to sexual orientation in an indirect way. For example, It might affect one’s temperament, which may affect one’s gender identity and sexual orientation.

 

[Hosh]

Certainly Estrogens and Androgens play a role in Psychosexual, Psychosocial, and Neurological development, but its fairly obvious were dealing with a plethora of causations. I refuse to use the term etiology as that would imply a disease. I will say again Homosexuality was not removed from the DSM for political reasons. Talking about the Homosexuality and the DSM: It will be interesting to see if Hebephilia (attraction to pubescent children) will be included into the DSM-V as a mental disorder. There’s nothing at all unnatural about it. Though like anything it can interfere with normal functioning if one acts inappropriately on a urge or it affects there life in some other negative way. So from the catholic perspective would Homosexuality be Unnatural if it was without anal/oral intercourse and there brain actually is “wired” that way?

 

[Dousias]

See:
Prenatal exposure to diethylstilbestrol(DES) in males and gender-related disorders:results from a 5-year study by S.Kerlin

DES appears to cause transsexuality and other intersex conditions. When it doesn’t, it may cause a homosexual or bisexual sexual orientation.

Whoa! True story… Many years ago a close friend had gender reassignment surgery and he had mentioned his mother had taken DES when he was small. Interesting…

Blessed be, Dousias

 

[Dousias]

1- If you were left on a deserted island at birth what would you know?

2- Being born in a Christian society has an enormous effect on your thinking.

3- Catholics trust the experience and wisdom of the Catholic Church for moral guidance and a joyous life. We trust Revelation. We trust Jesus.

Hi Buffalo, hope you had a wonderful Christmas.

1- I wasn’t born on a deserted island. If I was dropped off then without aid I would have died. If people were there to raise me then I would have been acculturated into whatever culture was in existence. At some point in my development I would have learned through experience whether that culture satisfied my needs. That is the process.

2- That is debatable. Though much good has come from Christian culture, a lot of negatives come along for the ride too. As to being born in a Christian society, where would that be? Certainly not here in the US. And not even here in California!

3- That is good there is somewhere you can put your trust and find your moral rudder. But religions do not produce highly moral people. We would like to think they do but the truth is they are no better or worse then the population as a whole. If churchgoers have high morals then why is confession so popular? As to the last part, I too trust the teachings of Jesus.

Blessed be, Dousias

 

[Dousias]

The second paragraph here is as profound an article of faith as any other on here. The notion that physics is going to be able to explain metaphysics is both bizarre and revelatory of its position as a de facto God in modern discourse. It doesn’t even pretend to deal with metaphysical questions yet we have belief that it will answer them all.

Not a statement of faith, but of understanding. Physics IS our world. Every unexplainable observation has a cause that we observe. That cause is a part of our physical cosmos. There is no thing that is paranormal. Supernatural does not exist. Metaphysics is fantasy.
All that is, all that we observe, all that ever was and all that ever will be is a part of the physical cosmos we exist within. Paranormal, metaphysics and supernatural are simply words we use to describe occurrences beyond our imagination.

(Putting on my Dr. Science hat…)

Does man have a handle on science? Do we know how things work?

Ask any theoretical physicist that question and he will state categorically we are babies learning to crawl, not brainiacs that have science aced!

“The notion that physics is going to be able to explain metaphysics is both bizarre and revelatory of its position as a de facto God in modern discourse.”

Why do some fear an actual, real explanation of what we perceive as “God?” Why do religionists create an “us or them” mindset? Why do they see all of science as a “God?”

Well, the obvious answer is that if we discover what the “God effect” really is, then the church would be rendered obsolete. The false fear that has been promulgated for over two thousand years would cease. Religions that base their power on a fear of God have a vested interest on suppressing science and attempting to convince people myths such as creation are truth.

I believe what we call “God” exists. I am confident someday we will understand cause and effect fully. I can only guess the explanation will be a real mind blower! Think of it: For untold thousands of years, as soon as man attained conscience, he felt something greater than himself. Across vast territories, across entire oceans, independent societies felt the same thing. Man, woman and child felt the same thing. A thousand names for the same thing. A thousand religions and belief systems, even non-belief systems all the way to total denial that the effect even exists.

That commonality is all the proof I need.

My personal opinion, as stated in a previous post, is that God is us. The “collective” us, that is. All that was, is and will be. Our collective energy and imprint on that energy creates the effect we see and feel as God.

Blessed be, Dousias

 

[Zoe_Brain]

Whoa! True story… Many years ago a close friend had gender reassignment surgery and he had mentioned his mother had taken DES when he was small. Interesting…

Not unusual. DES exposure may account for as much as 10% of all such cases.

 

[edwest2]

Not a statement of faith, but of understanding. Physics IS our world. Every unexplainable observation has a cause that we observe. That cause is a part of our physical cosmos. There is no thing that is paranormal. Supernatural does not exist. Metaphysics is fantasy.
All that is, all that we observe, all that ever was and all that ever will be is a part of the physical cosmos we exist within. Paranormal, metaphysics and supernatural are simply words we use to describe occurrences beyond our imagination.

(Putting on my Dr. Science hat…)

Does man have a handle on science? Do we know how things work?

Ask any theoretical physicist that question and he will state categorically we are babies learning to crawl, not brainiacs that have science aced!

“The notion that physics is going to be able to explain metaphysics is both bizarre and revelatory of its position as a de facto God in modern discourse.”

Why do some fear an actual, real explanation of what we perceive as “God?” Why do religionists create an “us or them” mindset? Why do they see all of science as a “God?”

Well, the obvious answer is that if we discover what the “God effect” really is, then the church would be rendered obsolete. The false fear that has been promulgated for over two thousand years would cease. Religions that base their power on a fear of God have a vested interest on suppressing science and attempting to convince people myths such as creation are truth.

I believe what we call “God” exists. I am confident someday we will understand cause and effect fully. I can only guess the explanation will be a real mind blower! Think of it: For untold thousands of years, as soon as man attained conscience, he felt something greater than himself. Across vast territories, across entire oceans, independent societies felt the same thing. Man, woman and child felt the same thing. A thousand names for the same thing. A thousand religions and belief systems, even non-belief systems all the way to total denial that the effect even exists.

That commonality is all the proof I need.

My personal opinion, as stated in a previous post, is that God is us. The “collective” us, that is. All that was, is and will be. Our collective energy and imprint on that energy creates the effect we see and feel as God.

Blessed be, Dousias

The history of the early Church does not show an established group out to suppress anyone. In fact, many were killed for their beliefs. In the case of Christians, for proclaiming Jesus Christ died for all men so that sins would be forgiven.

I write a lot of fiction so I see that you have an imagination but imagination is not an actual event. Opinions have little to no value, especially when they obscure the truth.

A priest will not pound on your door if you miss Mass on Sunday. No one is forced to donate money. God will not force you to love Him.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Dousias]

Not unusual. DES exposure may account for as much as 10% of all such cases.

I kind of misstated that! His mother would have taken DES before he was born.

Dousias

 

[Dousias]

1- The history of the early Church does not show an established group out to suppress anyone. In fact, many were killed for their beliefs. In the case of Christians, for proclaiming Jesus Christ died for all men so that sins would be forgiven.

2- I write a lot of fiction so I see that you have an imagination but imagination is not an actual event.
2a- Opinions have little to no value, especially when they obscure the truth.

3- A priest will not pound on your door if you miss Mass on Sunday. No one is forced to donate money. God will not force you to love Him.

Peace,
Ed

And Peace to you too,

1- Science two thousand years ago was somewhat limited to figuring why water doesn’t flow uphill! You are right about Christian persecution, it exists to this day. By the same token, Christians badgered heretics too.

2- Imagination goes hand in hand with creativity. Remember the Master who conveyed: Thought, Word and Deed. Imagination and creativity is Thought, sharing those thoughts with others is Word and of course Deed is manifesting the Thought. Einstein and Bohr THOUGHT nuclear fission was possible, then Word expanded and refined the Thought and those were the precursor to creation of actual devices.

Think again if imagination is trivial. It is the first step in the process of creation.

2a- Opinions have no value? My friend, opinions are the backbone of democracy. During the latter part of the Vietnam war some young adults went against the common idea that war is good in some bizarre way and started protesting our involvement. You mention that opinions obscure the truth. Or does it? The truth of war and sending young people to die on foreign soil was challenged by a better truth.

3- Physicists won’t be knocking either! Ha!

“God will not force you to love Him.” At first I thought that statement was true, but now on reflection I’m not so sure.

You and I both experience God and draw His or Her or It’s energy and effects to us. Even though we are experiencing God from different angles, maybe wide angles, it’s still the same God we understand and nurture. We understand the advantages of tuning into God and letting that energy guide us along in life. We are good people and goodness is reflected back every day of our lives. In that sense, God is asking us to embrace Him. If we choose to go against God energy then our lives become something less than it can be. There are Godless people who are truly scumbags! I have a co-worker that is well inside that territory yet he says he is a believer and goes to church on an infrequent basis. But he doesn’t know God. He doesn’t draw God energy into his life. His life sucks!

God does not demand us to love Him, but rewards us a thousand times over if we do.

Again, peace

Dousias

 

[Zoe_Brain]

I kind of misstated that! His mother would have taken DES before he was born.

Sexually differentiated neurology is visible from about week 26 of gestation, so exposure would probably have to be before then. The first trimester is crucial.

 

[buffalo]

Hi Buffalo, hope you had a wonderful Christmas.

1- I wasn’t born on a deserted island. If I was dropped off then without aid I would have died. If people were there to raise me then I would have been acculturated into whatever culture was in existence. At some point in my development I would have learned through experience whether that culture satisfied my needs. That is the process.

2- That is debatable. Though much good has come from Christian culture, a lot of negatives come along for the ride too. As to being born in a Christian society, where would that be? Certainly not here in the US. And not even here in California!

3- That is good there is somewhere you can put your trust and find your moral rudder. But religions do not produce highly moral people. We would like to think they do but the truth is they are no better or worse then the population as a whole. If churchgoers have high morals then why is confession so popular? As to the last part, I too trust the teachings of Jesus.

Blessed be, Dousias

Religions do not produce moral people? Do you have some evidence of this claim?

 

[chessmane4e5]

3- That is good there is somewhere you can put your trust and find your moral rudder. But religions do not produce highly moral people. We would like to think they do but the truth is they are no better or worse then the population as a whole. If churchgoers have high morals then why is confession so popular? As to the last part, I too trust the teachings of Jesus.

Blessed be, Dousias

First, could you please cite a couple of non-religious people that could be compared to the hundreds of Saints that the Catholic Church looks to as examples of how to live.

Second, you seem to be saying that a person with high morals would no longer be a sinner. This is not true. It is exactly because of my high morals that I go to confession. For example, when I look at a woman with lust, I know that is a sin, I immediately try to divert my attention to God or the Blessed Mother, and I then confess this sin when I go to confession. Were I not to do this, I would probably continue to think impure thoughts, which may eventually lead to me acting on my thoughts, which in my case would be adultery. So for me, I go to confession because I have high morals, not be cause I lack them.

Third, your statement that “Religious people are no better or worse than the population as a whole” seems limited to me. If you are talking about the United States of America, then unfortunately, you are probably correct. Although, even as short as 50 years ago, the USA was a Christian nation that still headed God’s word. Today, religious people are inundated with non-Christian values by the mass media. Sadly there are Christians in the USA who are hypocrites, but simply because some are, is not evidence that religion has no effect on morals. It would be like me saying that Antibiotics have no effect on bacteria based on my observation of people who do not take them as prescribed.

I think the world really needs to think about that statement, that “Religious people are no better or worse than the population as a whole” in regards to morals. I could easily imagine trying to teach my children that stealing is wrong and them saying to me, “But why?” And me saying, “Well because it is” or “How would you feel if someone stole from you” or “Because if you do you will go to jail” but all these answers are really not sufficient.

Ultimately, stealing (or any sin) is wrong because it goes against God, and to disobey God will lead to a life in Hell. Any other reason just doesn’t have weight.

 

[Hosh]

First, could you please cite a couple of non-religious people that could be compared to the hundreds of Saints that the Catholic Church looks to as examples of how to live.

Second, you seem to be saying that a person with high morals would no longer be a sinner. This is not true. It is exactly because of my high morals that I go to confession. For example, when I look at a woman with lust, I know that is a sin, I immediately try to divert my attention to God or the Blessed Mother, and I then confess this sin when I go to confession. Were I not to do this, I would probably continue to think impure thoughts, which may eventually lead to me acting on my thoughts, which in my case would be adultery. So for me, I go to confession because I have high morals, not be cause I lack them.

Third, your statement that “Religious people are no better or worse than the population as a whole” seems limited to me. If you are talking about the United States of America, then unfortunately, you are probably correct. Although, even as short as 50 years ago, the USA was a Christian nation that still headed God’s word. Today, religious people are inundated with non-Christian values by the mass media. Sadly there are Christians in the USA who are hypocrites, but simply because some are, is not evidence that religion has no effect on morals. It would be like me saying that Antibiotics have no effect on bacteria based on my observation of people who do not take them as prescribed.

I think the world really needs to think about that statement, that “Religious people are no better or worse than the population as a whole” in regards to morals. I could easily imagine trying to teach my children that stealing is wrong and them saying to me, “But why?” And me saying, “Well because it is” or “How would you feel if someone stole from you” or “Because if you do you will go to jail” but all these answers are really not sufficient.

Ultimately, stealing (or any sin) is wrong because it goes against God, and to disobey God will lead to a life in Hell. Any other reason just doesn’t have weight.

There are a lot of non-religious people that can be compared to Saints. Forgive my bias as I think every Jew is fascinated with him, but Einstein. His simple yet brilliant philosophies and utter disgust with war are to be desired.

 

[adstrinity]

I’m so glad that this topic was posted! I saw a show on…some sattelite station yesterday about intersex/transsexuals. One of them was born a male but is now 8 years old and lives as a female. I was wondering the stance on this.

 

[chessmane4e5]

There are a lot of non-religious people that can be compared to Saints. Forgive my bias as I think every Jew is fascinated with him, but Einstein. His simple yet brilliant philosophies and utter disgust with war are to be desired.

Yes he was brilliant, although his personal life left something to be desired.

Is Einstein your best example or your only example?

I suppose it has only been about 200+ years that society has openly been atheistic, where as Christianity has 2000+ years to acquire many examples of highly moral people.

 

[pzona]

Sexually differentiated neurology is visible from about week 26 of gestation, so exposure would probably have to be before then. The first trimester is crucial.

Do you have any sources for this? Not that I don’t believe you, I’m just interested.

 

[Hosh]

Yes he was brilliant, although his personal life left something to be desired.

Is Einstein your best example or your only example?

I suppose it has only been about 200+ years that society has openly been atheistic, where as Christianity has 2000+ years to acquire many examples of highly moral people.

So Einstein was a womanzier, moody, and had alot of other issues I’m sure. I don’t really research people based on there likeness to saint but Spinoza seems pretty darn close.

 

[chessmane4e5]

So Einstein was a womanzier, moody, and had alot of other issues I’m sure. I don’t really research people based on there likeness to saint but Spinoza seems pretty darn close.

My question was asked in reply to the statement that religion does not produce people of higher morals than the general population. So I was asking for some examples of people who are not religious but had high morals.

I will have to read up on Spinoza’s life, so maybe there is one example

 

[Hosh]

My question was asked in reply to the statement that religion does not produce people of higher morals than the general population. So I was asking for some examples of people who are not religious but had high morals.

I will have to read up on Spinoza’s life, so maybe there is one example

I would say I agree with your statement only because an agnostic usually doesn’t have a good replacement philosophy.

Say if you were an agnostic, that would imply you accept that there may not be a god. So part of you at the very least on the subconcious level sees human emotions as nothing more than glorified chemical reactions. That same rational part of you pretty much couldn’t believe in free-will as even if you aren’t a strict determinist you would have to accept that our human world is ruled by probabilities. So If someone got in your way and it was easier to just kill the dude for your own benefit that part of you should have no problem with this. Why not? not only was that event predestined to happen, but all the pain and fear he will feel is principally nothing more than vinegar and baking soda… I get around this by my observations of the natural sciences. Things follow a beautiful order and harmony, and if there is no god that is still truly spectacular and it should be mimicked in the social world.