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Can a person who commits suicide go to heaven? Or are they already condemned?
It is temporary insanity for many. When we stop and think about it, who in their right mind would do such a thing?Can a person who commits suicide go to heaven? Or are they already condemned?
Hey CRATUS. I think a person who commits suicide has gone ahead and lived with enough pain up to that point that God must just welcome and console that confused soul. God probably prepares a special soft place for that one. A really relaxed way.Can a person who commits suicide go to heaven? Or are they already condemned?
Hey CRATUS. I think a person who commits suicide has gone ahead and lived with enough pain up to that point that God must just welcome and console that confused soul. God probably prepares a special soft place for that one. A really relaxed way.
I mean I’ve got to believe that. Because I’d never be able to handle the pain if I had to think she was in hell. Even if I made it to heaven. If. I’d give it up for her if she was in hell. I’d trade places. And that’s a fact.
So obviously I’ve got to believe God would take care of someone like that. Because I can’t be thinking straighter than God right? And I mean that’s what I’d do. That’s really what I’d do. Truly.
Peace CRATUS. Missed crossing paths with you lately.
Your friend,
Trident
Detachment in Relationships
There is a mother in the book who is expecting her son to meet her once she is off the bus. Her disappointment that it is her brother who meets her instead is fierce and she demands to know why her son is not there and when can she see him.
It is explained to her that once she wants someone else other than her son, she can move on towards him. She must have a desire for God and not only her son. At first she agrees, “The sooner I begin it, the sooner they let me see my boy.” Her brother tells her, “Don’t you see you are not beginning at all…You’re treating God as a means to Michael… [you must] learn to want God for His own sake.”
She argues that if he were a mother he wouldn’t say such things. She believes “Mother-love” is the “highest and holiest feeling in human nature.” Her brother explains to her that love is only holy when “God’s hand is on the rein.” Natural love must be converted, not only is it not enough but will turn bad and be a false god.
This mother doesn’t want to accept this. She tells her brother, “I don’t believe in a God who keeps a mother and son apart. I believe in a God of Love. No one has the right to come between me and my son. Not even God. Tell Him that to His face. I want my boy, and I mean to have him. He is mine…forever and ever.”
This mother is the exact opposite of the Theotokos. Mary accepted the Father’s will and taught Jesus to do the same. She accepted her son’s death on the cross, accepted that her son was not only for her to cherish but was meant to save the world. She loves with the love of God.
Natural love is not enough. In our natural relationships it is very hard to distinguish between our natural affection and agape. The brother in the story tells this mother, “You exist as Michael’s mother only because you first exist as God’s creature. That relation is older and closer.” Understanding this is key to healthy detachment in relationships.
It is normal to become attached to others and to build up an identity for ourselves based off of our relationships with other people, especially our spouse, children, parents, and close friends. However, as Christians we must work on this. A healthy detachment helps us to see other people as our brother and sister in Christ, as a fellow member of the body of Christ, and as a fellow pilgrim to the eternal kingdom.
Seeking God’s will in relationships (and not our own) and understanding that our purpose in relation to others is to help each other reach heaven, will enable us to have healthy detachment and learn to truly love others as we should. Then, we will be able to endure a spouse’s betrayal, or a child’s death, a loved one’s selfishness, or any of the other crosses we must carry in our relationships. As we learn to love God and understand the love He has for us, then we can reflect that love to others.
As long as we cling to people, and have our own plans and desires for their lives, we will never learn to love as God loves. The monk who leaves the world does not stop loving his family and friends or God’s people, but through ascetic practices and detachment he can learn to love without condition—with a pure heart. Through his prayer and sacrifices he loves the world entire.
Its possible IF there are reduced culpability circumstances and IF they are baptised and within the Catholic Church and IF they were not already in a state of mortal sin.Can a person who commits suicide go to heaven? Or are they already condemned?
That is an important point.Its possible IF there are reduced culpability circumstances and IF they are baptised and within the Catholic Church and IF they were not already in a state of mortal sin.
It seems to me that when anyone asks this question they seem to assume that such a person is in a state of grace at the time they commit suicide!
Not to make light of the subject area;-One can also be saved if he repents while in the act of suicide. If you jump of a cliff and repent while on the way down, you could be saved.
Hey man thanks for the effort here. I mean I know what you’re trying to softly say. But I’m the cause of this. So this is just a straight up blame for me. I’d take that road instead. I’d trade that place if it was a fact. Or I’d hope that God would allow a higher place for her instead. I can’t think about it any other way. I’d lose my wheels if I had to think she was in hell for that. It’s not a fair move. Not when I’m the one to blame. God’s gonna deal fairly with this. He’ll raise her up. He’ll put her high up and safe. I’ll be the one paying the tab. That’ll be all me. And I’m square with that. That’s a justice call. No other way makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by catholicexchange.com/lessons-from-a-monastery-detachment
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Detachment in Relationships*
There is a mother in the book who is expecting her son to meet her once she is off the bus. Her disappointment that it is her brother who meets her instead is fierce and she demands to know why her son is not there and when can she see him.
It is explained to her that once she wants someone else other than her son, she can move on towards him. She must have a desire for God and not only her son. At first she agrees, “The sooner I begin it, the sooner they let me see my boy.” Her brother tells her, “Don’t you see you are not beginning at all…You’re treating God as a means to Michael… [you must] learn to want God for His own sake.”
She argues that if he were a mother he wouldn’t say such things. She believes “Mother-love” is the “highest and holiest feeling in human nature.” Her brother explains to her that love is only holy when “God’s hand is on the rein.” Natural love must be converted, not only is it not enough but will turn bad and be a false god.
This mother doesn’t want to accept this. She tells her brother, “I don’t believe in a God who keeps a mother and son apart. I believe in a God of Love. No one has the right to come between me and my son. Not even God. Tell Him that to His face. I want my boy, and I mean to have him. He is mine…forever and ever.”
This mother is the exact opposite of the Theotokos. Mary accepted the Father’s will and taught Jesus to do the same. She accepted her son’s death on the cross, accepted that her son was not only for her to cherish but was meant to save the world. She loves with the love of God.
Natural love is not enough. In our natural relationships it is very hard to distinguish between our natural affection and agape. The brother in the story tells this mother, “You exist as Michael’s mother only because you first exist as God’s creature. That relation is older and closer.” Understanding this is key to healthy detachment in relationships.
It is normal to become attached to others and to build up an identity for ourselves based off of our relationships with other people, especially our spouse, children, parents, and close friends. However, as Christians we must work on this. A healthy detachment helps us to see other people as our brother and sister in Christ, as a fellow member of the body of Christ, and as a fellow pilgrim to the eternal kingdom.
Seeking God’s will in relationships (and not our own) and understanding that our purpose in relation to others is to help each other reach heaven, will enable us to have healthy detachment and learn to truly love others as we should. Then, we will be able to endure a spouse’s betrayal, or a child’s death, a loved one’s selfishness, or any of the other crosses we must carry in our relationships. As we learn to love God and understand the love He has for us, then we can reflect that love to others.
As long as we cling to people, and have our own plans and desires for their lives, we will never learn to love as God loves. The monk who leaves the world does not stop loving his family and friends or God’s people, but through ascetic practices and detachment he can learn to love without condition—with a pure heart. Through his prayer and sacrifices he loves the world entire.
Suicide does not necessarily condemn one to HellCan a person who commits suicide go to heaven? Or are they already condemned?
That isn’t how it works.One can also be saved if he repents while in the act of suicide. If you jump of a cliff and repent while on the way down, you could be saved.
This also isn’t how it works.Yes.
The ONLY way a person can go to hell because of suicide is if it kills innocents as well (murder-suicide, suicide-bombers, etc).
Anyone who can look at a depression driven suicide, an act of desperation by someone who feels so hopeless and alone that even being alive is too much to bare; anyone who can look at that and say “That person’s going to suffer for all eternity” is too callous to be called a good Christian.
I am sorry if I come off as bitter, but that’s because I am: it bothers me when I see other Christians interpret God as the type to kick someone who’s down.
You have not commented on any of the replies, are you having these thoughts yourself?Can a person who commits suicide go to heaven? Or are they already condemned?
I’m sorry to hear that you are battling depression, I can’t imagine what you are going through. Please find consolation in my prayers which I will offer up for you and your well-being.After years and years of being in the black whole of depression, and battling the feelings daily, your story is just a story and does not help.
Objectively speaking, suicide is a grave a sin. It doesn’t require an additional grave sin to be mortal. Some cultures promote suicide if they lose a battle or the like.Yes.
The ONLY way a person can go to hell because of suicide is if it kills innocents as well (murder-suicide, suicide-bombers, etc).
Anyone who can look at a depression driven suicide, an act of desperation by someone who feels so hopeless and alone that even being alive is too much to bare; anyone who can look at that and say “That person’s going to suffer for all eternity” is too callous to be called a good Christian.
I am sorry if I come off as bitter, but that’s because I am: it bothers me when I see other Christians interpret God as the type to kick someone who’s down.