CBN report about Anglican breakaway group

[cajunhillbilly]

Interesting discussion

 

[Alizarin]

How about:

I believe in one God, the Father, Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.

That’s what I said. But in the short form

I love the creeds. They lay out the essentials and then… stop.

 

[Peter_J]

That’s what I said. But in the short form

Fair enough.

 

[andrewstx]

Ok. Now try coming to Massachusetts. They all vote Democrat and make Hans Kung look like Scott Hahn when it comes to doctrine. I do not exaggerate. These are my people. I know them.

I would like Mass. probably. At least it would be an escape from Texas where I am the only Moderate Republican left.

You see Texas is sooo far right they make it nearly impossible for disabled and poor people like myself to escape.

 

[Glad2behome]

What on Earth does political parties have do with this? This have to deal with followers of the Catholic Church sticking to current truths. I believe the Republican party(USA) “supporting” life and “supporting” traditional marriage is a coincidence, and I refuse to look at " faithful Catholic" politicians as persons to emulate. They are using persons the teachings of the Catholic Church to get votes, and that well just really gives me the willies.

Anyway, I hate to sound like Micheal Voris but I firmly believe that Catholic Church is the only authority to proclaim the truth. The Protestant church that preaches homosexuality and abortion are evil but preach that contraceptives is okay is no better than the church that blesses homosexual couple. Contraceptive is evil, period and and faithful Catholic should not take any Protestant church that says otherwise seriously, no matter how passionate there preachers* are.

 

[Alizarin]

You see Texas is sooo far right they make it nearly impossible for disabled and poor people like myself to escape.

I’m sorry to hear about your circumstances. Is it okay to ask what kind of disability?

 

[Alizarin]

What on Earth does political parties have do with this?

Just that it’s confusing when people belong to a church that officially teaches one thing while they go out and vote in ways that undermine said teaching. Here in MA, Catholics make up a huuuuge percentage of the population, and yet support for gay marriage and abortion always carries the day. It wouldn’t if Catholics voted with an eye to being faithful to church teaching.

The Protestant church that preaches homosexuality and abortion are evil but preach that contraceptives is okay is no better

I think the difference is that on the Protestant side, most of the mainline churches officially leave room for you to disagree with their teaching, so no one is surprised to get 10 different views on something like abortion from 10 different people. Know what I mean?

 

[commenter]

I think the difference is that on the Protestant side, most of the mainline churches officially leave room for you to disagree with their teaching, so no one is surprised to get 10 different views on something like abortion from 10 different people. Know what I mean?

Mainline churches don’t leave room to disagree with their teaching. They simply are holding less and less doctrine. There is no longer a core doctrine in most areas that anyone can agree or disagree with. For an extreme example, read “A New New Testament”, a 2013 book in which a list of some mainstream scholars and denominational leaders add several books to the N. T. canon, and mostly trash the traditional books!

But the evaporation of doctrine does not mean the mainlines are tolerant when it comes to their positions. The TEC has deposed something like 700 clergy in the last few years, mainly because the clergy hold on to doctrine that the TEC now regards as optional.

 

[commenter]

Just that it’s confusing when people belong to a church that officially teaches one thing while they go out and vote in ways that undermine said teaching. Here in MA, Catholics make up a huuuuge percentage of the population, and yet support for gay marriage and abortion always carries the day. It wouldn’t if Catholics voted with an eye to being faithful to church teaching…

Voting today reflects the media, which is overwhelmingly secular. If 99% of the media is aggressively pro-contraception, most Catholics will say contraception is ok. This has nothing to do with whether contraception is moral. Likewise, if a Southern town in 1930 is heavily white supremacist, including most Christians, that doesn’t prove the churches are wrong if they support equality. The church is supposed to support truth, popular or not.

Look around and see which churches are speaking whatever truths happen to be most unpopular in 2013. There is no doubt about which church is in the bull’s eye of the secular media right now - which makes me feel proud. The biggest way anti-Christian media attack a church is by trying to show the church is disobeying popular opinion. So what? The church isn’t supposed to obey popular opinion.

 

[andrewstx]

I’m sorry to hear about your circumstances. Is it okay to ask what kind of disability?

I had a bad stroke nine years ago and as a result I cannot drive, walk without a walker or quad cane, shower, groom or dress myself without assistance. I black out for short periods.

A few evening ago I stepped outside to pet the cat, fell and like the commercial could not get up. I sat on the stoop 7 hours. I made plenty of noise, but none of my wonderful Christian neighbors could bother to help or even dial 911.

 

[Peter_J]

I had a bad stroke nine years ago and as a result I cannot drive, walk without a walker or quad cane, shower, groom or dress myself without assistance. I black out for short periods.

A few evening ago I stepped outside to pet the cat, fell and like the commercial could not get up. I sat on the stoop 7 hours. I made plenty of noise, but none of my wonderful Christian neighbors could bother to help or even dial 911.

Yikes. How are you now?

 

[andrewstx]

Yikes. How are you now?

After the fall I had a sore back and feet for a few days, and I manage day-to-day.

The worst part is the boredom, since I can’t drive or work I just go on here, watch TV and mess with my raised Rose garden and take care of my pets.

I would love to be able to work.

 

[Russ_of_Tokyo]

Now, if there is any “Conservative” Anglicans or people that are educated in Anglicanism can tell me what one be some of the reasons for a “Conservative” Anglican from coming to the Catholic Church? I know many have, but some like the Anglican Church in North America still hold out. Why is that?

I’m a former Anglican, having come into the Catholic Church almost exactly two years ago. In my Anglican Days I was very excited about the formation of the Anglican Church in North America, and a lot of my old friends are in it now.

The Anglican Church has been called “the roomiest Church in Christendom” because one can believe anything and still be an Anglican. Although ACNA is comprised of conservative Anglicans, some are “Catholic” others are Evangelical. This second group has women priests, to give you an idea of how different the two groups can be. Lot’s of conservative Anglicans did come to the Church; I did. Others would never dream of it.

I never had a chance to join ACNA since I live in Japan. But it didn’t matter once I decided to become Catholic.

I was hoping to ride into the Catholic Church on the Anglicanorum Charterbus, but we couldn’t enlist enough passengers and the bus doesn’t come as far as Japan, so I just walked in on my own two feet.

(Apologies to anyone who choked on their coffee while reading this deliberate mangling of the Latin).

The Catholic Church is still full of surprises and I have experienced culture shock even for an Anglican. At my first communion in front of the whole congregation, I crossed myself and brought the host to my mouth Anglican style with two cupped hands. I bet a few people were surprised.

And I nearly dislocated my shoulder trying to kiss my scapular. OK, I’ll stop…

By the way, the story of why I became a Catholic is here: stutler.cc/russ/catholic.html

 

[Indifferently]

I’m a former Anglican, having come into the Catholic Church almost exactly two years ago. In my Anglican Days I was very excited about the formation of the Anglican Church in North America, and a lot of my old friends are in it now.

The Anglican Church has been called “the roomiest Church in Christendom” because one can believe anything and still be an Anglican. Although ACNA is comprised of conservative Anglicans, some are “Catholic” others are Evangelical. This second group has women priests, to give you an idea of how different the two groups can be. Lot’s of conservative Anglicans did come to the Church; I did. Others would never dream of it.

I never had a chance to join ACNA since I live in Japan. But it didn’t matter once I decided to become Catholic.

I was hoping to ride into the Catholic Church on the Anglicanorum Charterbus, but we couldn’t enlist enough passengers and the bus doesn’t come as far as Japan, so I just walked in on my own two feet.

(Apologies to anyone who choked on their coffee while reading this deliberate mangling of the Latin).

The Catholic Church is still full of surprises and I have experienced culture shock even for an Anglican. At my first communion in front of the whole congregation, I crossed myself and brought the host to my mouth Anglican style with two cupped hands. I bet a few people were surprised.

And I nearly dislocated my shoulder trying to kiss my scapular. OK, I’ll stop…

By the way, the story of why I became a Catholic is here: stutler.cc/russ/catholic.html

The REC is low church and they do not have women in holy orders.

 

[Peter_J]

I was hoping to ride into the Catholic Church on the Anglicanorum Charterbus, but we couldn’t enlist enough passengers and the bus doesn’t come as far as Japan, so I just walked in on my own two feet.

(Apologies to anyone who choked on their coffee while reading this deliberate mangling of the Latin).

I’ve heard a variation of that pun: “riding the Coeti Bus”.

 

[Russ_of_Tokyo]

The REC is low church and they do not have women in holy orders.

Six ACNA dioceses allow for the ordination of women, and there are in fact women priests in ACNA even now. Maybe not in the Reformed Episcopal Church parishes, but certainly not in the Anglo-Catholic ones.

 

[Peter_J]

Maybe not in the Reformed Episcopal Church parishes, but certainly not in the Anglo-Catholic ones.

It would be nice if that were true, but I don’t believe it is. You mean not in the conservative Anglo-Catholic ones.

 

[Russ_of_Tokyo]

It would be nice if that were true, but I don’t believe it is. You mean not in the conservative Anglo-Catholic ones.

Maybe I did. I wonder how many conservative Anglo-Catholic parishes are left after the Coeti-Bus drove through…

 

[Peter_J]

Maybe I did. I wonder how many conservative Anglo-Catholic parishes are left after the Coeti-Bus drove through…

Well, pretty close to the old number.

 

[GKC]

Well, pretty close to the old number.

As far as I know, pretty much. Less a few, to be sure.

GKC