The issue is one of discernment, in the ACNA, as we speak. AFAIK, no on-going ordinations of females.Six ACNA dioceses allow for the ordination of women, and there are in fact women priests in ACNA even now. Maybe not in the Reformed Episcopal Church parishes, but certainly not in the Anglo-Catholic ones.
At least they are tbinking of moving in the right direction. I don’t see the two integrities model having a future, though, seeing what chaos it has wrought in the Church of England. But the determined conservatives may force something big if the discernment doesn’t go tbeir way.The issue is one of discernment, in the ACNA, as we speak. AFAIK, no on-going ordinations of females.
The split is mainly between those following ++Duncan, and those +Iker, as to what constitutes a valid subject for Orders.
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I don’t think that’s too surprising. Laity coming into the ordinariates (from Anglicanism) primarily refers to entire parishes converting together, which isn’t nearly as common as some people think. (I don’t mean this just about Anglican-to-Catholic conversion. I mean that a entire parish converting from e.g. Anglican-to-Orthodox, Orthodox-to-Catholic, Catholic-to-Anglican, etc is none too common.)The ordinariates are said to be very top-heavy with clergy more likely to dip their toes in the Tiber than laity.
I’m watching closely.At least they are tbinking of moving in the right direction. I don’t see the two integrities model having a future, though, seeing what chaos it has wrought in the Church of England. But the determined conservatives may force something big if the discernment doesn’t go tbeir way.
I think many traditional laity don’t see all the ramifications of the changes in theology. They still hear all the familiar hymns, the church looks the same, they may find their particular pastor likeable, problems at the national level seem distant. They work at their jobs and family responsibilities, may not realize that powerful leaders have a very different view now. Laypeople get most of their news from the secular media, which has glossed over the issues in the TEC.The ordinariates are said to be very top-heavy with clergy more likely to dip their toes in the Tiber than laity.
But the Church does not allow for that position, so by taking it they’re being exceptionally disobedient. (and why are they listening to the pop culture more than they listen to the church?) Someone in the RCC has to start taking responsibility for the fact that when it comes to dogma many lay people are so far off the reservation they have their own casino.Voting today reflects the media, which is overwhelmingly secular. If 99% of the media is aggressively pro-contraception, most Catholics will say contraception is ok.
But if the church is made up of all catholics, and most catholics in the US disregard actual church teaching, then the media is right, isn’t it? I think so…Can’t get around it.The biggest way anti-Christian media attack a church is by trying to show the church is disobeying popular opinion. So what? The church isn’t supposed to obey popular opinion.
And how is this supposed to be good or for the better?Just
I think the difference is that on the Protestant side, most of the mainline churches officially leave room for you to disagree with their teaching, so no one is surprised to get 10 different views on something like abortion from 10 different people. Know what I mean?
Just describing the situation. Take it for what you will.And how is this supposed to be good or for the better?
You might do a search for threads on that. (Or you could always start a new one, but I would strongly recommend first looking for an existing one.)What I don’t understand is that most “conservative” Protestant churches condemn homosexuality(both the activity and attraction) but married couples using condoms are “a-okay”
The Catholic Church is holy. The Church’s holiness is not affected by whether all the Catholics in this city are holy, or if all the Catholics in that year are unholy. The holiness of individuals is important for them, but does not affect the holiness of the Church, whose holiness comes from God.But if the church is made up of all catholics, and most catholics in the US disregard actual church teaching, then the media is right, isn’t it? I think so…Can’t get around it.
I believe this is what a lot of people outside take issue with. To claim communion with church teaching by the very act of receiving Holy Communion, and then turn around and proudly proclaim something completely contrary to church teaching, this is the thing you see everyday where I’m from, and it’s that difference strikes many as the dictionary definition of hypocrisy.
You’re missing the point. It’s one thing to believe something, but you have a hard time living by that belief. We all understand that. We’re human, we’re weak.The Church’s holiness is not affected by whether all the Catholics in this city are holy