Cdl Lehman: Can't Dialogue w/Islam

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Berlin, Dec. 10 (CWNews.com) - Germany’s Cardinal Karl Lehmann told a newspaper that he didn’t think Christians and Muslims could engage in a productive dialogue. The Archbishop of Mainz said in the interview in Die Welt published on Thursday that Muslims do not consider Christians as equals and that Islam is a religion based on war and conquest.

Relations between Christians and Muslims has become a tense topic in Germany, as it has in the rest of Europe, with Germans wondering how to integrate 2.3 million mainly foreign-born Muslims into their society.

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Well, what’s the answer, then? No dialogue = no understanding = greater risk of trouble, no? Islam isn’t going to go away, I don’t expect.
 
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sbcoral:
Well, what’s the answer, then? No dialogue = no understanding = greater risk of trouble, no? Islam isn’t going to go away, I don’t expect.
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I don’t know. But Cardinal Lehman has had a lot of experience dialoging with other religions. I have yet to see any real productive dialog with Islam, even (or especially) after 9/11.
 
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gilliam:
I don’t know. But Cardinal Lehman has had a lot of experience dialoging with other religions. I have yet to see any real productive dialog with Islam, even (or especially) after 9/11.
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Some Europeans are apparently beginning to awake to find the elephant in the middle of the room…coming from Lehmann this is extraordinary— tells you how serious the situation must be.
 
Germany’s Cardinal Karl Lehmann told a newspaper that he didn’t think Christians and Muslims could engage in a productive dialogue.
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I realized this after our pastor related an incident to me. Once, years ago a group of politically active Muslims wanted to have a meeting, but for one reason or another didn’t have anywhere to meet. One of the group approached my pastor, whom he knew personally, and asked if they could use the Church’s meeting hall. My pastor was afraid that they were going to use it for a political rally, and expressed his concerns. He was told that they were not holding a rally, just a meeting. Anyway, long story short my pastor allowed them to use the hall. They arrived and promptly began a political rally. My pastor was unable to put a stop to it until it was over (not having the manpower to forcibly remove that many people). He approached the aquaintance who had requested the hall and demanded to know why he had lied. The man said that he had not lied, because it is only a lie to tell untruth to other Muslims. My pastor was an infidel, and it didn’t matter what he said, so long as Allah’s will was done.
 
Dr. Colossus:
My pastor was an infidel, and it didn’t matter what he said, so long as Allah’s will was done.
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Anothr favorite game is to say one thing in English to the camera and then turn around and say something quite different to the “crowd” - Arafat was a master of this technique.

After 9/11 when there was much celebration, Arafat threatened reporters with mayhem should they release that film, they had to report on the “sorrow” over it. Bah humbug!
 
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HagiaSophia:
Berlin, Dec. 10 (CWNews.com) - Germany’s Cardinal Karl Lehmann told a newspaper that he didn’t think Christians and Muslims could engage in a productive dialogue. The Archbishop of Mainz said in the interview in Die Welt published on Thursday that Muslims do not consider Christians as equals and that Islam is a religion based on war and conquest.

Relations between Christians and Muslims has become a tense topic in Germany, as it has in the rest of Europe, with Germans wondering how to integrate 2.3 million mainly foreign-born Muslims into their society.

cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=33950
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This isn´t any new news, but there are brave declarations like the the archbishop of Sidney, Bolognia, Rombaeck, etc… well it´s better than seeing like several years ago that the Church and Islam don´t have to compite, greetings
 
The memri site often translates what they are really saying. It seems the Europeans are finally beginning to figure out they have nursed a viper at their bosom. It’s taken them long enough. A few thousand more murders and stonings and just maybe they will start to react forcefully.
 
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cestusdei:
The memri site often translates what they are really saying. It seems the Europeans are finally beginning to figure out they have nursed a viper at their bosom. It’s taken them long enough. A few thousand more murders and stonings and just maybe they will start to react forcefully.
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Well coming from Lehmann it’s almost a shock - for awhile there I thought someone was going to have to open a window at the Vatican and find some of the real estate realigned one morning and figure out that you can’t negotiate with terrorists.

The Germans sold out to them during the Munich Olympics masscre and have found it it didn’t help them a bit.
 
After 911 even a few liberals got scared. They realized they were targets too. That didn’t last long. If more are killed they may actually decide to fight back. Some complained that New York was hit when it should have been a “red” state. So much for liberal compassion. I expect the Cardinal has developed a sudden case of realism.
 
Do we really have a choice? The world has what–a billion Muslims? If we refuse to talk, do we imagine our problems with each other will just go away? Or have we just sunken to dispair?

Just because our relationship needs far more prayer than talk doesn’t mean that talk isn’t needed.
 
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BLB_Oregon:
Do we really have a choice? The world has what–a billion Muslims? If we refuse to talk, do we imagine our problems with each other will just go away? Or have we just sunken to dispair?

Just because our relationship needs far more prayer than talk doesn’t mean that talk isn’t needed.
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Not dispair, but not fooling ourselves either. It takes 2 for a meaningful dialogue, and so far, Islam doesn’t want any such thing with infidels.
 
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gilliam:
Not dispair, but not fooling ourselves either. It takes 2 for a meaningful dialogue, and so far, Islam doesn’t want any such thing with infidels.
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A BILLION Muslims, and you’re telling me* no one* wants to talk? No one wants to co-exist? That is nonsense. And those who don’t want to talk, they still hang around and listen… so speak carefully, and with respect.
 
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HagiaSophia:
Well coming from Lehmann it’s almost a shock - for awhile there I thought someone was going to have to open a window at the Vatican and find some of the real estate realigned one morning and figure out that you can’t negotiate with terrorists.
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Perhaps when this

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_2312240.jpg

Looks like this

http://p.vtourist.com/1175769.jpg

Someone will wake up

(Hint the first picture is St. Peter’s in Rome, the second is St. Sophia’s in Istanbul, one of the holiest sites in Christendom for a 1000 years, now defiled as a Muslim mosque)
 
It’s simple, the average Muslim loves their faith more than the average Christian. Until that changes we will see our culture erode.
 
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BLB_Oregon:
A BILLION Muslims, and you’re telling me* no one* wants to talk? No one wants to co-exist? That is nonsense. And those who don’t want to talk, they still hang around and listen… so speak carefully, and with respect.
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No one of any authority, yes. Sad isn’t it.
 
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