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What is the canonical penalty for a Latin priest who celebrates a Liturgy of another Church sui juris without the requisite biritual faculties granted by the Eparch?
The canons don’t spell out the penalties for a priest not celebrating in his own Rite, only that he must. So that’s an interesting question. The penalties in Canon law are only imposed if the act violating the canon is done with malice or negligence. I suppose such an act could fall under “negligence.” but I don’t know what are the conditions for a determination of “negligence.” The Latin Code also states that if the law is violated due to the “omission of diligence” (Canon 1321), the violator is not automatically punished. I don’t know what the difference is between “negligence” and “omission of diligence.”What is the canonical penalty for a Latin priest who celebrates a Liturgy of another Church sui juris without the requisite biritual faculties granted by the Eparch?
When does a Liturgy needed to be celebrated in an emergency situation? Even with the Sacraments the bare essentials of a Sacrament is only what needs to be done during an emergency, so no need to celebrate an entire Rite (like for example the Byzantine Rite of Baptism).If the priest had knowledge of the Rite and did it in an emergency situation, I doubt there would be a penalty.
For the sake of argument, lets assume the priest had more than sufficient knowledge of the pertinent canons to rule out omission of diligence and that under the circumstances we can conclude that there was no emergency situation.The canons don’t spell out the penalties for a priest not celebrating in his own Rite, only that he must. So that’s an interesting question. The penalties in Canon law are only imposed if the act violating the canon is done with malice or negligence. I suppose such an act could fall under “negligence.” but I don’t know what are the conditions for a determination of “negligence.” The Latin Code also states that if the law is violated due to the “omission of diligence” (Canon 1321), the violator is not automatically punished. I don’t know what the difference is between “negligence” and “omission of diligence.”
If the priest had knowledge of the Rite and did it in an emergency situation, I doubt there would be a penalty.
Blessings,
Marduk
A Latin priest who has knowledge of the Rite visits (not in an official capacity, but maybe for a retreat or vacation) a remote desert village in the Middle East or a remote mountain village in Eastern Europe which normally has a visiting priest in their own Rite who comes only once a month, and someone asks him to perform a marriage or requests a Mass/DL for a special intention.When does a Liturgy needed to be celebrated in an emergency situation? Even with the Sacraments the bare essentials of a Sacrament is only what needs to be done during an emergency, so no need to celebrate an entire Rite (like for example the Byzantine Rite of Baptism).
For the sake of argument, lets assume the priest had more than sufficient knowledge of the pertinent canons to rule out omission of diligence and that under the circumstances we can conclude that there was no emergency situation.![]()
That is not an emergency, and he can always do it in his own Rite. Most priests wouldn’t do something that is not the Rite they are trained to do. My son was going to be baptized and our priest suddenly took a vacation (probably related to his reassignment which was later announced), I talked to the substitute priest to do the baptismal rite. He refused because he is Chaldean with biritual, but says he doesn’t know how to do baptism in the Roman Rite. He can only do Mass.A Latin priest who has knowledge of the Rite visits (not in an official capacity, but maybe for a retreat or vacation) a remote desert village in the Middle East or a remote mountain village in Eastern Europe which normally has a visiting priest in their own Rite who comes only once a month, and someone asks him to perform a marriage or requests a Mass/DL for a special intention.
Blessings,
Marduk
Same in the Latin Rite, as in all the Churches. This is the basic ecclesiology of St. Ignatius of Antioch.The ordinary minister of the Eucharist is the bishop and the priest only celebrates the Eucharist because the Bishops have given him the permission to do so. This is, at least, the core understanding in the Byzantine Rite.
What do Eastern Catholics say about this comment? Is it true, according to ConstantineTG, that a DL can be validly celebrated by an Eastern Catholic priest without the antimension?I know Catholic teaching is different in this regards, so from the Catholic perspective the priest can celebrate whatever Rite he wants to and it will be a valid Liturgy.
If there were a bunch of deaths in the remote village and they wanted a Mass/DL for special intention, that’s certainly an emergency. Besides, the OP is asking a hypothetical question. Who cares if “most priests” would not do it. The OP is asking about a circumstance if the Latin priest WOULD do it.That is not an emergency, and he can always do it in his own Rite. Most priests wouldn’t do something that is not the Rite they are trained to do. My son was going to be baptized and our priest suddenly took a vacation (probably related to his reassignment which was later announced), I talked to the substitute priest to do the baptismal rite. He refused because he is Chaldean with biritual, but says he doesn’t know how to do baptism in the Roman Rite. He can only do Mass.
I had similar thoughts. We who live where we can easily and safely take part in a Liturgy are so removed from the various situations around the world where access to clergy is not so routine. And OP only says “without the requisite biritual faculties”. There are surely plenty of priests, I know some personally, who have had bi-ritual faculties, but have them no longer simply because they are not presently serving a community where they need them so the faculties would need to re renewed for them to return to serving on a normal basis.A Latin priest who has knowledge of the Rite visits (not in an official capacity, but maybe for a retreat or vacation) a remote desert village in the Middle East or a remote mountain village in Eastern Europe which normally has a visiting priest in their own Rite who comes only once a month, and someone asks him to perform a marriage or requests a Mass/DL for a special intention.
Blessings,
Marduk
Blessings,I would question your suggestion of him presiding at the wedding. Weddings don’t take place in a Divine Liturgy, and include additional concerns beyond an ordinary Divine Liturgy.
The rite in the Latin Church may take place within an Mass, or outside of Mass.I’ve been to 6 weddings in my entire life (4 in the COC, and 2 in the Latin Church), and they always included Mass. I guess I always assumed Mass/DL was part of the Marriage ceremony. I guess it is different in the Eastern Tradition. Thank you for the extra knowledge, sister 5loaves. I love learning new things.
Blessings,
Marduk
No it is not the same. The Latin understanding of the Sacrament of Holy Orders state that once a priest, always a priest. And the ability to celebrate the Liturgy and consecrate the Eucharist is inherent in a priest, therefore a heretic and schismatic priest can still validly celebrate Mass and validly consecrate bread and wine into the Eucharist even if he is thrown out of the Church and defrocked. It is not licity, but it is 100% valid. You don’t need a bishop for a valid Liturgy.Same in the Latin Rite, as in all the Churches. This is the basic ecclesiology of St. Ignatius of Antioch.
There is no teaching otherwise that without the antimens, there is no valid Liturgy or valid Eucharist. It is still followed as a matter of practice, not a matter of necessity. In fact in our own parish we have a very old antimens which isn’t even signed by a bishop of our Eparchy past or present (although technically at the time the antimens was signed I believe our churches belonged to another Eparchy as we are a young Eparchy).What do Eastern Catholics say about this comment? Is it true, according to ConstantineTG, that a DL can be validly celebrated by an Eastern Catholic priest without the antimension?
Are you asking about celebrating it as principal celebrant or as concelebrant?What is the canonical penalty for a Latin priest who celebrates a Liturgy of another Church sui juris without the requisite biritual faculties granted by the Eparch?
What is the canonical penalty for a Latin priest who celebrates a Liturgy of another Church sui juris without the requisite biritual faculties granted by the Eparch?
This is the kind of question that dubia are made of, so I did the next best thing and posed the question to a very well respected JOCD, even though I thought I knew the answer. Turns out I was right:For the sake of argument, lets assume the priest had more than sufficient knowledge of the pertinent canons to rule out omission of diligence and that under the circumstances we can conclude that there was no emergency situation.![]()
as well as the provisions of the CIC:Canon 674 - §2. The minister should celebrate the sacraments according to the liturgical prescriptions of his own Church sui iuris, unless the law establishes otherwise or he himself has obtained a special faculty from the Apostolic See.
There are, however, no penal canons for this offense, so any “penance” that might be imposed by the priest’s bishop/Ordinary would be at the discretion of the bishop/Ordinary, and would likely be light, at least for a first offense. I would imagine something on the order of “I’m not telling you again … don’t do this anymore.” A repeat offender might incur a light disciplinary action, but nothing severe or long-term.Can. 846 §2. The minister is to celebrate the sacraments according to the minister’s own rite.
What is the canonical penalty for a Latin priest who celebrates a Liturgy of another Church sui juris without the requisite biritual faculties granted by the Eparch?
I can’t imagine DL celebrated in any normal circumstance without an antimension for Eastern Orthodox, or Eastern Catholic. I don’t know about Oriental Orthodox and Oriental Catholic rubrics. Among other things it represents the permission of the bishop for the priest to celebrate. Folded, unfolded, where it’s placed, are of course all spelled out. What would prompt such an innovation as to not use one under any normal circumstance? We do know of the stories of our heroic priests in the Gulags who celebrated flat on their backs using their chests as a Holy tableWhat do Eastern Catholics say about this comment? Is it true, according to ConstantineTG, that a DL can be validly celebrated by an Eastern Catholic priest without the antimension?
Blessings,
Marduk