Celebrity crushes

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In every example you and others have given, you are crushing on and fantasizing about someone who isn’t your spouse, In each of my examples, I’m crushing on and fantasizing about someone who isn’t my spouse. We’re all replacing our spouse with someone else and focusing the sort of attention on them that should only be reserved for our spouse, which apparently can include going so far as fantasizing about marrying your crush instead of your spouse. I still don’t see how distance or occupation is such a consequential factor that it means the difference between your fantasies being okay and mine being wrong. As far as the porn star goes, over and over again I’ve pointed out that the one I’ve mentioned the most is one that you could have been overexposed to without ever having seen anything other than her school picture or her dressed up in interviews. Fantasizing about her in no way supports the porn industry. Yet she’s somehow unworthy of a crush and makes any crush on my part wrong, despite how unattainable she is.

I personally believe that fantasizing about someone who isn’t your spouse is inappropriate and disrespectful, if not fully sinful. Whether I’m fantasizing about the babysitter, porn star, coworker, actor or UPS driver is irrelevant; no matter who it is, it’s not my spouse. I’m still baffled at the notion that, from a Catholic perspective, I’m being told that my take on it is not just wrong but apparently deeply disordered, and that entertaining romantic fantasies (to the point of marriage) about someone other than your spouse is not just in line with Catholic teaching but should be viewed as a marriage enhancing activity.
And I am disgusted that Catholics drink alcohol, which has been OBJECTIVELY documented as the cause of at least 50% of auto accidents, and millions of broken families, as well as the destruction of health and life of many millions of people.

The very idea that Catholics would allow themselves to be associated with this dangerous drug is beyond my comprehension.

So as far as I’m concerned, we’re even, Gordon Sims. You don’t get crushes, and I don’t get drinking. And the Church doesn’t condemn either practice. Both of us are flummoxed.
 
And I am disgusted that Catholics drink alcohol, which has been OBJECTIVELY documented as the cause of at least 50% of auto accidents, and millions of broken families, as well as the destruction of health and life of many millions of people.

The very idea that Catholics would allow themselves to be associated with this dangerous drug is beyond my comprehension.

So as far as I’m concerned, we’re even, Gordon Sims. You don’t get crushes, and I don’t get drinking. And the Church doesn’t condemn either practice. Both of us are flummoxed.
Actually, the Church does condemn drinking irresponsibly and to excess. And I don’t drink.
 
Is it difficult to acknowledge that some fantasies are wrong, those that are lustful or impure. Those type of thoughts are sinful. I’m sure that it is possible to even have lustful thoughts about one’s spouse.

When the fantasy is not impure or lustful, then it isn’t problematic. My husband worked near a restaurant owned by one of the celebrity chefs from food network. It wasn’t his flagship restaurant, so he was not usually there.

I’ve been there for lunch once or twice with my husband. I wondered if he’d be there and how cool it would be to meet him, perhaps get a picture, maybe have aconversation. The chef happens to be a man, who is handsome. My fantasy was not sexual, or lustful, was not a near occasion of sin. My husband was with me.🤷

Once Giada de Laurentis was doing some publicity shots at that restaurant. I called my husband and told him to get his lunch there that day. He couldn’t go, but I would have never thought meeting Giada would have been a near occasion of sin for my husband. I like her programs, I’ve made her recipes at times. I admire her talent. It isn’t wrong to do that.
 
There are many baffling things I read here on CAF by practicing Catholics and think “Wait, you’re a practicing Catholic? Not fallen. Not cultural, but practicing yet you support/allow [insert some questionable moral action]?” And these aren’t newbies to the faith as well. Befuddled I am.
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This is my argument:

I think Cat and her husband see their adult crushes simply as the continuation of their innocent teenage ones. When she sees the crush on TV she applies the same amplification of their merits, and acceptance of their faults, that a teenager would. But her life experience and her situation reduce the fantasies to simply a conversation with the person, instead of something more romantic.

Now consider this: there exists a female celebrity who I admire. Now I can admire absolutely everything about her without having a “crush” on her. I can admire her professional talents whether it be singing, acting, playing sport, etc.; I can admire traits such as dedication, resilience, positive attitude, openness to people, etc.; I can admire her faith if she’s Catholic. I can even hope to meet her and have a conversation. But notice, if this was a man and he had all the same qualities I could easily have the same feelings.

This admiration only crosses the line into a crush only if I give her that “unconditional” acceptance, that I also mentioned in the first paragraph. I may know that this person has faults, such that I would be put off from dating them did I meet them in real life, but that’s irrelevant. Because this unconditional acceptance forms a one-sided emotional bond with the celebrity, one which is reserved for the opposite sex. If I felt in such a way towards a man, regardless of his talents, I’d know there was something wrong.

For me personally, that kind of bond can only exist for one person at a time. It may be different for other people, however I believe that entertaining such a feeling is nevertheless an expression of finding one’s spouse or your relationship inadequate in some way.

FORGET MY ENTIRE MONOLOGUE UP TO THIS POINT. Everyone who is a proponent of these crushes please answer the following questions: If your spouse was celebrity-image-perfect, i.e. 10/10 on the looks scale, had a singing/acting/directing career, and was highly charismatic, would you even consider having a crush on anyone else?? Or if you were in the initial stages of your relationship (or whenever it was at its most intense, would you be thinking about celebrities or would you be thinking about the wonderful person who you’ve recently started dating??
 
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This is my argument:

I think Cat and her husband see their adult crushes simply as the continuation of their innocent teenage ones. When she sees the crush on TV she applies the same amplification of their merits, and acceptance of their faults, that a teenager would. But her life experience and her situation reduce the fantasies to simply a conversation with the person, instead of something more romantic.

Now consider this: there exists a female celebrity who I admire. Now I can admire absolutely everything about her without having a “crush” on her. I can admire her professional talents whether it be singing, acting, playing sport, etc.; I can admire traits such as dedication, resilience, positive attitude, openness to people, etc.; I can admire her faith if she’s Catholic. I can even hope to meet her and have a conversation. But notice, if this was a man and he had all the same qualities I could easily have the same feelings.

This admiration only crosses the line into a crush only if I give her that “unconditional” acceptance, that I also mentioned in the first paragraph. I may know that this person has faults, such that I would be put off from dating them did I meet them in real life, but that’s irrelevant. Because this unconditional acceptance forms a one-sided emotional bond with the celebrity, one which is reserved for the opposite sex. If I felt in such a way towards a man, regardless of his talents, I’d know there was something wrong.

For me personally, that kind of bond can only exist for one person at a time. It may be different for other people, however I believe that entertaining such a feeling is nevertheless an expression of finding one’s spouse or your relationship inadequate in some way.

FORGET MY ENTIRE MONOLOGUE UP TO THIS POINT. Everyone who is a proponent of these crushes please answer the following questions: If your spouse was celebrity-image-perfect, i.e. 10/10 on the looks scale, had a singing/acting/directing career, and was highly charismatic, would you even consider having a crush on anyone else?? Or if you were in the initial stages of your relationship (or whenever it was at its most intense, would you be thinking about celebrities or would you be thinking about the wonderful person who you’ve recently started dating??
Yes, if someone came along who is “crushable.”

My husband IS about the best man there is and quite handsome, but I still have crushes on celebs. Even when I was first in love with him, I still continued being in love with Barnabas Collins the vampire!

I’ve mentioned several times in this thread that my mom, married for over 50 years to my dad, kept crushing on various celebs right up until her last days. And my dad did the same. Neither of them were ever upset at each other’s crushes–it was understood that it was all in good fun.

I’ll be honest here–I honestly don’t think I would ever be interested seriously in anyone involved in the entertainment industry or the arts. It’s a very “fragile” world, where someone can be at the top of their game one year, and in the poorhouse the next year. Artistic types are often moody, and they need a lot of positive stroking and reassurance. And often (not always), they aren’t particularly good at practical problem-solving. And there’s the constant necessity of networking–that can be really tiring. When my daughter comes home for a visit, she is wired 24/7. She’s never “out of network.” She’s always connected to someone, often to many people all at the same time. We’ve gotten used to having conversations with her while she is simultaneously having a conversation with someone in New York or L.A.

So I’m happy just to crush on these people. That’s enough. They live hard lives, and I don’t have that much energy.
 
My husband IS about the best man there is and quite handsome, but I still have crushes on celebs. Even when I was first in love with him, I still continued being in love with Barnabas Collins the vampire!
:rolleyes: You appreciate demonic creatures such as vampires, but you condemn the consumption of alcohol. :rolleyes:

😉 Ahhhhh…Hahahaha! A good bottle of beer is much better than getting bit in the neck by a vampire. 😉
 
:rolleyes: You appreciate demonic creatures such as vampires, but you condemn the consumption of alcohol. :rolleyes:
Did you ever see the old show, Dark Shadows, that featured Barnabas Collins? Just answer the question, please.
😉 Ahhhhh…Hahahaha! A good bottle of beer is much better than getting bit in the neck by a vampire. 😉
 
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FORGET MY ENTIRE MONOLOGUE UP TO THIS POINT. Everyone who is a proponent of these crushes please answer the following questions: If your spouse was celebrity-image-perfect, i.e. 10/10 on the looks scale, had a singing/acting/directing career, and was highly charismatic, would you even consider having a crush on anyone else?? Or if you were in the initial stages of your relationship (or whenever it was at its most intense, would you be thinking about celebrities or would you be thinking about the wonderful person who you’ve recently started dating??
Yes. First of all, you are making this all about looks, a person’s physical “perfection” so in my case you are missing my crush point by eons. There are fictional characters that don’t have a “face” (actor) and I lack the imagination to create one (this is true in my dreams, unless it’s a real person, the people are often nameless, faceless entities. And not that anyone cares, this is not the same for environments. I can dream up a well-appointed house with secret passageways or…well, one dream involved a house swallowed by a sinkhole with only the cupola visible and yet I was able to gain access through the front door so my best friend and I could rescue the dogs and cats (two of which were pink fluffy ones. First time this friend of over 30 years has made a cameo in a dream that I can remember. Anyhoo…)

So far I’ve avoided revealing my current crushes by I think I’ll mention the one: Moriarty. He’s sooOooOOooooOOoooo crushable. “Hi.” cackles with delight:rotfl:
 
Stop watching television and going to the movies, because that’s what’s good for you. 🙂 😛
 
Stop watching television and going to the movies, because that’s what’s good for you. 🙂 😛
You have no idea what’s good for me. You not commenting on my posts would be good for me. You not telling me what to do would be good for me.
 
This is quite possibly the dumbest thread I’ve ever seen…

crushes are for puberty…

fantasies are lewd

but there are gray areas…

when does attraction become a crush…

when does appreciation become fantasy…

when does planning become plotting…

it’s a fine line… but it’s not rocket science… figure it out…

attraction is normal…

appreciation is normal…

planning is normal…

executing requires discernment…
 
This is quite possibly the dumbest thread I’ve ever seen…
I agree.
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fantasies are lewd
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:hmmm:Using the definitions here and here I come up with this:
The faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable is crude and offensive in a sexual way.

Anyone who really thinks this has problems. Fantasy fiction is prurient? Fantasy football is salacious? Really? When did the word fantasy become a synonym for pornography? Seriously.

I day dream a lot. At night, I tell myself stories in a repetitive in a loop so I can fall asleep. Mostly they the fantasies of things that have already happened and trying to fix the outcome or are things I anticipate happening. It’s like visualization except I usually imagine the worst case scenario. But sometimes I like to escape and I imagine something more pleasant and it might be my crush or it might be kittens. It’s all imagination or fantasy. Is that the problem here? That some people can’t fathom fantasies being anything but sexual or romantic?

Hmm.
 
:nope:

Do you still have a celebrity crush on Barnabas Collins?
Oh, yes. Definitely.

Please bear with me and hear out the story.

This character has influenced my entire life in good ways. In fact, I could say that he “saved me” in grade school.

I was always a happy little child who did well in school and played with many friends.

But when I got to 5th grade, something went all wrong. It was partly because my parents were rather “country” types who didn’t march to the same beat as many of the people in our neighborhood. My mother dressed me in adorable dresses that were fashionable back when she was girl. (Back then, all girls were required to wear dresses to school.) And my dad was a plumber who wore jeans and work shirts instead of business suits like most of the other dads in the school. And they were down-home friendly, not “reserved” like many of the neighborhood folks who tended to hold back and not get involved. And they had a farm, and my dad would drive out to the farm everyday, and we spent a lot of weekends on the farm.

So I definitely marched to a different beat.

What I believe tipped everything over the top was the utterly worthless teacher of that 5th grade class, who did virtually nothing all year long (Why should she? Her union protected her.) It was a free-for-all in her class, and the strongest picked on the weakest, and I was definitely weak.

The bullying went on all year long while the teacher paid no attention at all. Everyone in the class picked on me about my clothing, my intelligence (I thought everyone in the class was getting straight As), my parents, my brother (he had club feet and wore orthopedic clothes), our farm, even our television (we only got one channel, and my parents didn’t really care). They even made fun of my mother, who didn’t drive, and who walked down to the school once a week when the bookmobile came, and checked out huge stacks of books, really GOOD books, and read them all during the week.

I can truly understand how the school shooters feel. I felt that way, but there were no guns back then. (My dad actually had shotguns, but we weren’t allowed to go near them, and we didn’t even dream of disobeying our parents.)

When spring arrived, I was on the playground by myself as usual (we weren’t allowed to stay in the school during lunch break), and all the kids were picking on me.

And I finally snapped. I grabbed one of the meanest girls, spun her around several times, and slammed her into the war slide. She went down. Her face was bloody. The playground got very quiet.

I was quiet, too. I walked into the school building (against the rules) and sat down at my desk, and listened to the ambulance siren. I knew that the teachers would come for me and I was ready for them.

When they came up to me, my nimrod teacher said, in a shocked voice, “How could you do such a thing?”

I looked up at her and in the quietest, calmest voice, said, “You teachers have watched these kids make fun of me and my family all year, and you never tried to help me or make the kids stop. This is YOUR fault, not mine.”

The teachers walked away. I didn’t get in trouble. I never heard anything about the incident.

I think that’s because the teachers knew that I was absolutely RIGHT, and they WERE the ones at fault for not helping.

Interestingly, from then on, the kids never made fun of me again. Even the big boys stayed away from me and were respectful. And the girl that I beat up actually ended up becoming a friend, or at least a nice person.

So what does this have to do with Barnabas? (Next post, please)
 
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That miserable school year ended shortly after that incident, and I was so relieved to finally be free of the constant fear of bullies and mean kids. My brother and I were very close and played together a lot, and one day, we discovered the show Dark Shadows on our television set that only received one channel.

Just like millions of other kids, we were hooked! We loved Barnabas, Julia, Elizabeth, Willie, Adam, and all the other marvelous characters! The show was a feast for the imagination!

When we went back to school in the fall, we were no longer able to watch Dark Shadows, as it came on at 3:00 p.m. in the Midwest, and our school day lasted until 3:30 p.m.

But my dear mother, that lady that all the kids made fun of, liked the show, too, and watched it, and told us what happened everyday.

And that’s when things turned around for me at school. Lots of the kids loved the show, but THEIR mothers wouldn’t be caught dead watching the show.

So when the kids discovered that I knew what happened from day to day, they started gravitating to me, and I would tell them what happened.

To make it more interesting, I started writing up the daily account of what happened on the show (including my mother’s commentary!). Every morning, a huge crowd of kids, including many of those “bullies” who had made fun of me the year before, gathered around me to hear my account of the show. Even some of the teachers asked me what happened on the show.

Many of the other girls had crushes on Barnabas, too, and my mother always made sure to include details about how he looked and sounded, which made all the girls (and me) sigh with delight.

Doing all this writing helped me to develop my skills, and a few months into the school year, I was amazed when the announcement was made that I had won a local essay contest. I kept winning essay contests and earning all kinds of accolades for my writing.

And more importantly, being the Dark Shadows “expert” restored my confidence and helped me to discover the pleasure of being my own unique person (just like Barnabas). I emulated the character of Dr. Julia Hoffman on the show and developed my interest in science (unusual for girls back then).

No one made fun of me anymore, because from Barnabas, I learned that it was OK to be “different.” I had skills that other kids didn’t have. I was good at writing, smart in science, and I played the piano, and most importantly, I was willing to share these interests with other kids in helpful ways, just like Barnabas was constantly working to help out his family, the local waitress, the doctor, and anyone else who needed his help (and his “supernatural” abilities!).

Because the actor who played Barnabas (Jonathan Frid) was a Shakespearean actor, I developed an interest in Shakespeare and read many of his plays while I was in 6th grade and middle school. I was also interested in acting and theater, and although I never made it a profession, I passed on the interest to my older daughter, who is a professional stage manager in New York City today. So even my daughter “owes” Barnabas Collins/Jonathan Frid!

So yes, yes, a million times yes, I still have my crush on Barnabas Collins and the actor who played him (R.I.P.)! Both will live forever in my mind and in the minds of thousands of other women who were inspired in some way by him.

I firmly believe that most crushes help rather than hurt people. I think they help us discover and develop new interests, become more personable to others, use our imaginations and become more creative, and just plain make life more FUN on our journey to the grave.
 
Yes. First of all, you are making this all about looks, a person’s physical “perfection” so in my case you are missing my crush point by eons. There are fictional characters that don’t have a “face” (actor) and I lack the imagination to create one (this is true in my dreams, unless it’s a real person, the people are often nameless, faceless entities. And not that anyone cares, this is not the same for environments. I can dream up a well-appointed house with secret passageways or…well, one dream involved a house swallowed by a sinkhole with only the cupola visible and yet I was able to gain access through the front door so my best friend and I could rescue the dogs and cats (two of which were pink fluffy ones. First time this friend of over 30 years has made a cameo in a dream that I can remember. Anyhoo…)

So far I’ve avoided revealing my current crushes by I think I’ll mention the one: Moriarty. He’s sooOooOOooooOOoooo crushable. “Hi.” cackles with delight:rotfl:
Ok, I can tell that none of you will change your minds. But personally, I simply can’t imagine why anyone would resort to fantasy and crushing on celebrities if they are completely happy with their own lives.The old question comes to mind, of whether humans would prefer to live a real life which potentially contains hardship, or live in a virtual reality filled with nothing but pleasant experiences.
 
:yup: You convinced me, Cat. I’ll remember your story.
Ok, I can tell that none of you will change your minds. But personally, I simply can’t imagine why anyone would resort to fantasy and crushing on celebrities if they are completely happy with their own lives.The old question comes to mind, of whether humans would prefer to live a real life which potentially contains hardship, or live in a virtual reality filled with nothing but pleasant experiences.
Within that context, I’d say that they view celebrity crushes as an escape/break from the hardships of life.

Even though we may not resort to crushes to keep ourselves mentally stable, we may employ other tactics, such as observing nature, playing games, or consuming alcohol.
 
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