Celibacy & Unmarried - How do Bishops decide when to require it?

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I have heard that there are some times when a priest who is married can be ordained. I think this came from a tract on this website. I wonder how a bishop decides when to require that a priest be unmarried? Is it up to each bishop? Does the pope hand down requirements? Are exceptions filed through the Vatican?

As I understand it, celibacy is a vow that a person takes when becoming ordained. That celibacy isn’t about sex directly - but says that the person will not get married in the future. So, if they’re married - then they’re single from that point forward.

My protestant friend is wound up about the whole celibacy thing. He wants to know how the practice of celibacy is maintained. I’m sure there’s an answer in the Catholic Encyclopedia, but I couldn’t pick it out.

Thanks!!
 
The way my priest explained it to me is if a man is already married yet has a very strong desire to become a Catholic priest, he may be allowed to become a priest and still remain married. He can still have marital relations with his wife, still have children, etc.

My priest could have been wrong but that’s how it was explained to me. 🤷
 
Okay.

The Catholic Church is made up of twenty-three individual “Churches,” all eventually (there will probably be some kind of technicality argument but whatever) led by the Pope. There is one Western Catholic Church, what we call the Latin Church, and the Pope is the immediate leader of it. There are twenty-two Eastern Catholic Churches, and they are self-governing in a sense; however, they are still led by the Pope as well, and they are as equally Catholic as any Latin Catholic.

It is the tradition of the Latin Church to require priestly celibacy. It is the tradition of the Eastern Churches to allow their priests to marry I believe before they are ordained, and most of them do, but this is not required.

Now, your question obviously applies to the Latin Church. The requirement is by default for all priests of the Latin Church to be celibate. Celibacy is not a vow, it is a promise. Celibacy is the promise to not marry, which in turn prohibits sex. However, there are some small groups of priests within the Latin Church who are nevertheless permitted to marry. For example, sometimes Protestant ministers are allowed to become Catholic priests, especially those with a good quality theological education (ie not from some tiny no-name Bible college); and more often than not, they are already married, and so they obviously retain their marriages after they are ordained priests. Also, there have been for quite a few years now, something like 30, Anglican “priests” who are married who convert to Catholicism and then are ordained priests. This is being accelerated now that the Ordinariates are being established which allow Anglicans to convert en masse. These Protestant and Anglican convert priests who are married are of course allowed to have sex and children.

Clerical celibacy is a practice, not a doctrine or dogma. Eastern Catholic priests and Protestant converts prove this. It is an ancient and venerable practice and from what it looks like, it isn’t going anywhere, and rightly so. (I support it fully) However, it could go away. But I highly doubt it will.

***What you refer to as a vow, as I said, is only a promise. Only male and female religious take vows of chastity (not celibacy), among others. Chastity means no sex, celibacy means no marriage. Essentially, they mean the same thing in practice, since without sex one cannot marry and without marriage one cannot have sex, but celibacy and chastity go at the issue from different angles and the reasons are somewhat different and so the “tone” of the practice is different.

How is celibacy maintained? Through bishops, superiors and good candidates to the priesthood. It is quite stupid, if I say so myself, for society to judge celibacy. Celibacy is a 100% free choice and no one is forced to live a celibate life since no one is forced to become a priest. Celibacy is a fantastic way to live an extremely holy and sanctified life.
 
Celibacy is still a requirement in the Latin Church, however, there are always exceptions. This is because celibacy is not ‘DOGMA’ or even ‘DOCTRINE’, it is a ‘DISCIPLINE’ that could be done away with tomorrow with the stroke of the Holy Father’s pen, if he so chose to do so.

A couple of years ago in my diocese, we ordained a married priest, who had been a Protestant (not Anglican/Episcopalian) minister who converted.

Canon Law covers this, I’m not quite sure which canons are relevant, if I get some time later I will try to post a link.
 
Okay.

The Catholic Church is made up of twenty-three individual “Churches,” all eventually (there will probably be some kind of technicality argument but whatever) led by the Pope. There is one Western Catholic Church, what we call the Latin Church, and the Pope is the immediate leader of it. There are twenty-two Eastern Catholic Churches, and they are self-governing in a sense; however, they are still led by the Pope as well, and they are as equally Catholic as any Latin Catholic.

It is the tradition of the Latin Church to require priestly celibacy. It is the tradition of the Eastern Churches to allow their priests to marry I believe before they are ordained, and most of them do, but this is not required.

Now, your question obviously applies to the Latin Church. The requirement is by default for all priests of the Latin Church to be celibate. Celibacy is not a vow, it is a promise. Celibacy is the promise to not marry, which in turn prohibits sex. However, there are some small groups of priests within the Latin Church who are nevertheless permitted to marry. For example, sometimes Protestant ministers are allowed to become Catholic priests, especially those with a good quality theological education (ie not from some tiny no-name Bible college); and more often than not, they are already married, and so they obviously retain their marriages after they are ordained priests. Also, there have been for quite a few years now, something like 30, Anglican “priests” who are married who convert to Catholicism and then are ordained priests. This is being accelerated now that the Ordinariates are being established which allow Anglicans to convert en masse. These Protestant and Anglican convert priests who are married are of course allowed to have sex and children.

Clerical celibacy is a practice, not a doctrine or dogma. Eastern Catholic priests and Protestant converts prove this. It is an ancient and venerable practice and from what it looks like, it isn’t going anywhere, and rightly so. (I support it fully) However, it could go away. But I highly doubt it will.

***What you refer to as a vow, as I said, is only a promise. Only male and female religious take vows of chastity (not celibacy), among others. Chastity means no sex, celibacy means no marriage. Essentially, they mean the same thing in practice, since without sex one cannot marry and without marriage one cannot have sex, but celibacy and chastity go at the issue from different angles and the reasons are somewhat different and so the “tone” of the practice is different.

How is celibacy maintained? Through bishops, superiors and good candidates to the priesthood. It is quite stupid, if I say so myself, for society to judge celibacy. Celibacy is a 100% free choice and no one is forced to live a celibate life since no one is forced to become a priest. Celibacy is a fantastic way to live an extremely holy and sanctified life.
I’ll be the technicality guy, my friend. The Church is made up of individual rites, not individual “Churches”.
 
I have heard that there are some times when a priest who is married can be ordained. I think this came from a tract on this website. I wonder how a bishop decides when to require that a priest be unmarried? Is it up to each bishop? Does the pope hand down requirements? Are exceptions filed through the Vatican?

As I understand it, celibacy is a vow that a person takes when becoming ordained. That celibacy isn’t about sex directly - but says that the person will not get married in the future. So, if they’re married - then they’re single from that point forward.

My protestant friend is wound up about the whole celibacy thing. He wants to know how the practice of celibacy is maintained. I’m sure there’s an answer in the Catholic Encyclopedia, but I couldn’t pick it out.

Thanks!!
Limiting this answer to the Latin Rite of the Church:

While it is theoretically possible to ordain a married man, in practice, this dispensation has only been granted to men who are converting to the Church, almost always men who were married and who were ministers in a Protestant denomination.

Also, the dispensation has to come from the Vatican. The Bishop decides if he want to pursue it but doesn’t make the decision on his own.
 
I’ll be the technicality guy, my friend. The Church is made up of individual rites, not individual “Churches”.
Untrue. The Catholic Church is a communion of 23 Churches, and these Churches are members of a variety of Rites. There are fewer Eastern Rites than Eastern Churches, because many Churches share a rite; however, there are myriad Latin Rites which are claimed by parts of the one Latin Church.
 
I’ll be the technicality guy, my friend. The Church is made up of individual rites, not individual “Churches”.
This is incorrect. There are twenty-three Catholic Churches, of which one is the Latin, and twenty-two are Eastern.

The six liturgical traditions are: the Latin, the Alexandrian, the Antiochan or West Syrian, the Armenian, the Chaldean or East Syrian, and the Constantinopolitan.

The Latin Liturgical Tradition is exclusive to the Latin Church. Each of the twenty-two Eastern Catholic Churches follows one of the Eastern RItes, that is, one of the latter five from the above list.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches#List_of_Eastern_Catholic_Churches
 
I believe per Canon Law one who has major orders (bishop, priest, deacon, subdeacon) must abstain from sexual relations, even if married, and cannot marry after recieving orders. A dispensation must be granted, as is the case of Eastern Rite priests and deacons (I assume), but I’ve never heard of a formal dispensation for married priests and deacons in the Roman Rite. The SSPX had something about this on their site and I could find no objections to it (after a whole 10 minutes of google searching…). Additionally I’m not sure a Bishop has the ability to dispense one from this for the case of married deacons and priests; I assume not. Someone who knows more, please chime in.
 
I believe per Canon Law one who has major orders (bishop, priest, deacon, subdeacon) must abstain from sexual relations, even if married, and cannot marry after recieving orders. A dispensation must be granted, as is the case of Eastern Rite priests and deacons (I assume), but I’ve never heard of a formal dispensation for married priests and deacons in the Roman Rite. The SSPX had something about this on their site and I could find no objections to it (after a whole 10 minutes of google searching…). Additionally I’m not sure a Bishop has the ability to dispense one from this for the case of married deacons and priests; I assume not. Someone who knows more, please chime in.
Whether deacons must abstain is a subject of some discussion on the internet. The Church herself has not said that they must abstain.

There are three ways in which a married deacon can remarry upon the death of his wife. He can walk away from his faith which we all hope would not be the case, he can ask to be returned to the lay state (layicized) and that must go to the Pope, or he can ask for a dispensation. One of the reuirements for dispensation is that he is in fact indespensible to the Church, which isn’t likely. I’m not sure who grants dispensation but it is rare.

-Tim-
 
A dispensation must be granted, as is the case of Eastern Rite priests and deacons (I assume), but I’ve never heard of a formal dispensation for married priests and deacons in the Roman Rite.
As is the case in the Eastern and Oriental Churches, the cleric must have been married prior to Holy Orders. If widowed, it is possible that a dispensation to remarry may be granted, but it is always (including in the East and Orient) very, very rare. IIRC, the primary requirement is the presence of young children.
 
As is the case in the Eastern and Oriental Churches, the cleric must have been married prior to Holy Orders. If widowed, it is possible that a dispensation to remarry may be granted, but it is always (including in the East and Orient) very, very rare. IIRC, the primary requirement is the presence of young children.
I was referring to a dispensation to have sexual relations, not a dispensation to marry.
 
I was referring to a dispensation to have sexual relations, not a dispensation to marry.
Although, as has been noted by another poster, this is a matter of some discussion (and not only on the internet), it is not an issue in the Eastern and Oriental Churches.
 
Whether deacons must abstain is a subject of some discussion on the internet. The Church herself has not said that they must abstain.

There are three ways in which a married deacon can remarry upon the death of his wife. He can walk away from his faith which we all hope would not be the case, he can ask to be returned to the lay state (layicized) and that must go to the Pope, or he can ask for a dispensation. One of the reuirements for dispensation is that he is in fact indespensible to the Church, which isn’t likely. I’m not sure who grants dispensation but it is rare.

-Tim-
Thanks Tim. Hopefully we will see some clarity on this in the future.

Nice avatar, btw.
 
I believe per Canon Law one who has major orders (bishop, priest, deacon, subdeacon) must abstain from sexual relations, even if married, and cannot marry after recieving orders. A dispensation must be granted, as is the case of Eastern Rite priests and deacons (I assume), but I’ve never heard of a formal dispensation for married priests and deacons in the Roman Rite. The SSPX had something about this on their site and I could find no objections to it (after a whole 10 minutes of google searching…). Additionally I’m not sure a Bishop has the ability to dispense one from this for the case of married deacons and priests; I assume not. Someone who knows more, please chime in.
Nope Permanent Deacons can have normal marital relations with their wife.
How do I know? Because it’s a matter of some importance to me (and my wife) in discerning whether to enter the formation program. My diocese tells me it’s OK:D

There’s also been some recent info from Rome on this matter. I’ll find it later.
 
This is incorrect. There are twenty-three Catholic Churches, of which one is the Latin, and twenty-two are Eastern.

The six liturgical traditions are: the Latin, the Alexandrian, the Antiochan or West Syrian, the Armenian, the Chaldean or East Syrian, and the Constantinopolitan.

The Latin Liturgical Tradition is exclusive to the Latin Church. Each of the twenty-two Eastern Catholic Churches follows one of the Eastern RItes, that is, one of the latter five from the above list.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches#List_of_Eastern_Catholic_Churches
Once again, I embarrass my self in front of my friend.
 
Here’s the link re: “Married Permanent Deacons and the Canonical Obligation to Observe Perfect and Perpetual Continence”
In response to repeated requests for an authoritative clarification on this matter, the Committee on Clergy, Consecrated Life and Vocations and the Committee on Canonical Affairs and Church Governance requested the assistance of the USCCB President in seeking a clarification from the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts.
Earlier this week, we were informed that Cardinal-designate Francesco Coccopalmerio, President of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, with Bishop Juan Ignacio Arrieta, Secretary, has forwarded to Cardinal-designate Timothy M. Dolan the Pontifical Council’s observations on the matter (Prot. N. 13095/2011). The observations, which were formulated in consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, clarify that married permanent deacons are not bound to observe perfect and perpetual continence, as long as their marriage lasts.
canonlaw.info/PDF-USCCB%20re%20277.pdf

patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2012/05/married-deacons-its-okay-you-can-have-sex-with-your-wives/
 
I thought it was kinda important 😉

Thanks for your kind wishes.
 
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