Celibacy

[Footstpes]

I just happened to watch a special program about Celibacy in the Catholic Church . Very disturbing and hurting to watch.
The conclusion was that We are still in the Dark Ages and the lack of intimacy has brought pirests and nuns becoming violence and “of course” sexual abuse scandals.
How many puches are we going to take? We do not hear about the Methodist Church, The Presbitarians, The Jews, etc commiting such scandals ??
Please help me out!!!

 

[thistle]

Footstpes:

I just happened to watch a special program about Celibacy in the Catholic Church . Very disturbing and hurting to watch.
The conclusion was that We are still in the Dark Ages and the lack of intimacy has brought pirests and nuns becoming violence and “of course” sexual abuse scandals.
How many puches are we going to take? We do not hear about the Methodist Church, The Presbitarians, The Jews, etc commiting such scandals ??
Please help me out!!!

I can’t remember which thread it was in some months back but someone quoted from an article that if you take the Church as an institution and compare it to other religious institutions, big corporations, government employees, teachers etc that the Catholic Church in percentage terms has a lower incidence of sexual abuse.

 

[Church_Militant]

Footstpes:

I just happened to watch a special program about Celibacy in the Catholic Church . Very disturbing and hurting to watch.
The conclusion was that We are still in the Dark Ages and the lack of intimacy has brought pirests and nuns becoming violence and “of course” sexual abuse scandals.
How many puches are we going to take? We do not hear about the Methodist Church, The Presbitarians, The Jews, etc commiting such scandals ??
Please help me out!!!

HERE and In Context.

This is bunk, since celibacy is not the source of the problem.
A celibate clergy is scriptural. Read this thread.
Pax tecum,

 

[m134e5]

Footstpes:

the lack of intimacy has brought pirests and nuns becoming violence and “of course” sexual abuse scandals.

Since when does intimacy have to include sex? There is nothing wrong with hugging, and other forms of affection that are appropriate between close friends. Since when does lack of intimacy have to cause someone to sin? It sounds like just another (of many) attack on the Church.

 

[MezmerTheMage]

The perversion of the modern age is the EQUATING of LOVE with SEX. I love and am “intimate” with my mother. sister, brother, uncle… but this does not include SEX.

That is the reason for the epedemic of homosexuality in the Church and the world. Men can LOVE ONE ANOTHER as can women. That is true BROTHERLY LOVE. In North America there seems to be this FEAR of a man loving another man; that could mean you’re “gay”. That leads men into FALSELY BELIEVING that they are “gay” since they feel affection for someone of the same sex; which is ONLY natural. Was Christ “gay” because he loved his friends even up to giving His Life for them? Was St. John “gay” being the disciple that Jesus LOVED? What insanity!

In many countries men kiss men and women kiss women (ON THE CHEEK) as a natural “intimate” greating. There is no sex involved or expected.

The 3 main ERRORS are:

1. There is no right and wrong therefore
2. If it feels good (and what sexual stimulation does not?) the do it therefore
3. Fornication, Adultery, Sodomy, Bigamy, … are ok.

 

[Talitha]

Amen, amen, amen.

Sexual idolatry…

Talking to a dear friend of 30 years standing, we commented that never once had we discussed sex or anything to do with it. It is really a small, small part of life.

 

[puzzleannie]

if celibacy was a root cause of the sex scandal in the Catholic Church then research would show only celibates are child abusers and pedophiles. Since the vast majority of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by male spouses or boyfriends of the child’s mother or other sexually active male relatives of the child, that hypothesis falls down at once. We have several threads with several sources on this topic. Is there anything to be served by rehashing the whole thing?

 

[martino]

Footstpes:

I just happened to watch a special program about Celibacy in the Catholic Church . Very disturbing and hurting to watch.
The conclusion was that We are still in the Dark Ages and the lack of intimacy has brought pirests and nuns becoming violence and “of course” sexual abuse scandals.
How many puches are we going to take? We do not hear about the Methodist Church, The Presbitarians, The Jews, etc commiting such scandals ??
Please help me out!!!

you have just been successfully brainwashed!

 

[Dorothy]

Footstpes:

I just happened to watch a special program about Celibacy in the Catholic Church . Very disturbing and hurting to watch.
The conclusion was that We are still in the Dark Ages and the lack of intimacy has brought pirests and nuns becoming violence and “of course” sexual abuse scandals.
How many puches are we going to take? We do not hear about the Methodist Church, The Presbitarians, The Jews, etc commiting such scandals ??
Please help me out!!!

About a year ago a priest from our diocese gave an excellent talk on this fallacy. He pointed out that when a Catholic priest is involved with wrongdoing it is on the first page of the newspaper, usually the headlines. He said, if you looked through the whole newspaper every day you would see that other clergymen, sadly, are involved in sex abuse as well. Also, coaches in sports, teachers, next door neighbors, etc.

And, celibacy is not the cause, as you will see if you have read the article that was pointed out.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Footstpes:

I just happened to watch a special program about Celibacy in the Catholic Church . Very disturbing and hurting to watch.
The conclusion was that We are still in the Dark Ages and the lack of intimacy has brought pirests and nuns becoming violence and “of course” sexual abuse scandals.
How many puches are we going to take? We do not hear about the Methodist Church, The Presbitarians, The Jews, etc commiting such scandals ??
Please help me out!!!

Footsteps, Jesus Christ, our Lord was celibate. Celibacy is a vow that people choose… the priesthood and marriage are both sacraments in the Catholic Church. If someone chooses to be a priest in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, he must be celibate unless he has a dispensation from his bishop. Contrary to popular belief, the Catholic Church has married priests, but no priest in the Church may get married after they have been ordained. This is true for the Eastern Orthodox as well. In the Eastern Rite of the Catholic Church, you can be married at the time of ordination but you cannot get married after you join the priesthood. Priests in the Latin Rite work about 80 hours a week, and get paid around $14,000. Would that be fair to their families? What happens when someone needs Last Rites and there is only 1 priest to serve a 20 mile radius and his child is sick? He would choose his child. Celibacy is a discipline in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. It is scriptural, and not all of our priests are married. Logical fallacy.

God bless!

P.S. please check www.scripturecatholic.com and also www.catholic.com and search for “celibacy”. Also, I know even 1 is too many, but in the past 50 years only 3.5% of priests in America have been accused of sexual abuse. Smaller # than teachers, protestant congregations, corrupt police, etc. Don’t take other’s propaganda seriously when you can tell that they have an agenda and can only get it through by attacking the Catholic Church.

 

[Talitha]

I am in Ireland. The Ferns report and the enforced scrutiny of every diocese revealed truly shocking figures. We surely have to bow our heads in sorrow and set our own house in order over this, rather than casting stones at others? The religious orders were also involved over many generations, and are dying out now here. These are children. Precious in the eyes of Jesus. To be protected whatever it costs us.Whoever else has sinned in this, many, many of our priests did here.

 

[Talitha]

( apologies; I cannot find how to edit) And surely the Church is in a far greater position of trust at a deeper level than even schools or police? Many priests here are ashamed to be priests now.

 

[Dorothy]

Talitha:

I am in Ireland. The Ferns report and the enforced scrutiny of every diocese revealed truly shocking figures. We surely have to bow our heads in sorrow and set our own house in order over this, rather than casting stones at others? The religious orders were also involved over many generations, and are dying out now here. These are children. Precious in the eyes of Jesus. To be protected whatever it costs us.Whoever else has sinned in this, many, many of our priests did here.

Certainly. It is a terrible scandal, much prayer is needed.

 

[kaygee]

footstps:

We do not hear about the Methodist Church, The Presbitarians, The Jews, etc commiting such scandals ??

The only reason we don’t hear about it from them (and it happens just as often if not more often there), is that the Catholic Church is united, under the authority of a bishop, with the deep pockets of a diocese. An abuser at 1st Protestant has only the resources of a small congregation with a short history of endowment (if any) from which to draw if sued. If one is abused in a Catholic Church – WOW! PAYDIRT! – there are the resources of an an entire diocese to pay damages. Big money gets big press.

Also, the Catholic Church has a strong reputation for holiness and one breech of that holiness is so scandelous, it makes BIG news.

 

[Michael038]

kaygee:

The only reason we don’t hear about it from them (and it happens just as often if not more often there), is that the Catholic Church is united, under the authority of a bishop, with the deep pockets of a diocese. An abuser at 1st Protestant has only the resources of a small congregation with a short history of endowment (if any) from which to draw if sued. If one is abused in a Catholic Church – WOW! PAYDIRT! – there are the resources of an an entire diocese to pay damages. Big money gets big press.

Also, the Catholic Church has a strong reputation for holiness and one breech of that holiness is so scandelous, it makes BIG news.

Agreed, there is a huge hatred toward the Catholic Church from the main stream media. They do not report the abuses from the other Churches or institutions nearly as much as they do the Catholic Church.

 

[MarySon]

I remember a year or two years ago reading an article about a person who was accused of molesting a child or young adult. The kicker was that the person worked in a Catholic School, but was not a member of the Catholic Church but some denominaiton. Just a fact that he was affiliated in some way with something that the Catholic Church did was enough to put this story on the front page.

 

[Montie_Claunch]

Footstpes:

I just happened to watch a special program about Celibacy in the Catholic Church . Very disturbing and hurting to watch.
The conclusion was that We are still in the Dark Ages and the lack of intimacy has brought pirests and nuns becoming violence and “of course” sexual abuse scandals.
How many puches are we going to take? We do not hear about the Methodist Church, The Presbitarians, The Jews, etc commiting such scandals ??
Please help me out!!!
But, What about when someone commits adultry? They have intimacy with their signifigant other but, they still go elsewhere? So to say that the Celbacy issue is the cause of the problem is stupid. You could say that from the issue of adultery that not enough sex or only with one person is the problem. But, the real problem isn’t celbicay or monogamy (sp?) but, not sticking to that rule.

 

[m134e5]

MezmerTheMage:

Was St. John “gay” being the disciple that Jesus LOVED

Some people say so. It’s sad really- that an example of male friendship is misconstrued as “gay”. Male friendships that are cold and distant and consist of little more than getting drunk together are pointless. Honestly, I feel sorry for the men who don’t have friendships like that.

 

[Talitha]

"“Agreed, there is a huge hatred toward the Catholic Church from the main stream media. They do not report the abuses from the other Churches or institutions nearly as much as they do the Catholic Church.”

Again, it is different here in Ireland which is 95% Roman Catholic. When the first " wave" of abuse emerged 4 years ago, it was at the same time as in the US.
Everyone took a deep breath and thought that the worst was over.
The Ferns report had to be dragged out of the Church by a campaigner who was an abused child himself.
It has all been hushed up - because it was so appalling. Some of the grossest abuse in that report - against young girls at confirmation classes - was ignored by Bishops, by social workers, by the police; because the Church is so powerful here. When it all came out, some of those priests were still in active ministry. And if you ask google about the Magdalen Laundries and Goldenbridge; the Church here was in charge oe education, insitutional care ( orphanages included) and hospitals. And the abuse touched so many families; and family is at the heart of Irish life. The latest figures for Dublin alone are over 100 priests involved in child abuse. And that figure will rise as more is exposed; they are still finding files that have been hidden. Now there are stricter guidelines in place; any priest accusedmust stand down from the parish while the matter is investigated. And the priests are objecting openly to that now. Given that some of the proved abuse was only last year? My faith in Jesus is stronger than ever; but my faith in the Church is a different matter altogether. The dioceses here are tiny and many of the priests would have known what was going on and turned a blind eye. Whatever the cause matters little. It is the way it was mishandled and covered up. Not the way Jesus would ask.