Cell Phone Emergency type Alerts at Mass

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Person celebrating mass is single parent, press release is of a frivolous incident made up by the “better half” taking fire at the Church through hitting the parent inside with nonsense

Press release is the bias report of an incident and arrest (frivolous) to maintain state integrity

You’re trying to claim that the Church is cooperating with the state because an Amber Alert could be issued about a child attending Mass who has been kidnapped by their parent or relative who has no legal right to them?

It takes a tremendous amount of legal proceedings for parents to lose their rights to their children. Like years of demonstrated abuse, negligence and maltreatment. Yes, there are cases where the law overreaches, but more often than not it doesn’t go far enough and children die.

If we follow your lead we shall soon have gatekeepers and soon after, security officers, perhaps we should know a house divided against itself will not stand? - Jesus Christ + Abraham Lincoln

What?

So because the Church uses civil authority to keep their grounds safe and clean for parishioners it’s dividing against itself?

What about churches and monistaries that lock gates at night?

 

[boclucky14]

We aren’t on the same sheet of music right now, there are aspects of what actually occurs during an incident you may be unfamiliar with.

I’m trying to understand what you are saying, and how it has do with the the original topic of this thread (Wireless Emergency Alerts being received on phones during mass). However, I’m not understanding what you are trying to say. If you can rephrase what you are trying to say and how it has to do with AMBER or Wireless Emergency Alerts, that would be very helpful.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

You have to study technology law to understand this problem, as it is evolving faster and more sensible than civil law. There is a reason the Church stood for 2,000 years and it isn’t because they neglected the homeless and let police in.

 

[tawny]

Same in my Parish.

 

[boclucky14]

You have to study technology law to understand this problem, as it is evolving faster and more sensible than civil law. There is a reason the Church stood for 2,000 years and it isn’t because they neglected the homeless and let police in.

I work in the tech field (e-commerce web engineer). I like reading tech news and follow a few court cases time from time regarding technology, both on corporate and individual levels. I’m no expert, but I’m not completely ignorant.

Having said that, can you please explain how the AMBER alert system or the Wireless Emergency Alert system has anything to do with “neglected the homeless and let police in”? On top of that, what does “technology law” have anything do to with “neglected the homeless and let police in”?

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

You have to study technology law to understand this problem, as it is evolving faster and more sensible than civil law. There is a reason the Church stood for 2,000 years and it isn’t because they neglected the homeless and let police in.

This is getting bizarre.

For many years, the church was the civil authority.

It is NOT letting the police in for individual citizens to have alerts on their phones.

It is NOT having the police watch church grounds and keep people off during the night.

It is NOT allowing the homeless, the mentally ill, the people abusing and kidnapping their children to seek “sanctuary” within the walls of the church when there are far better resources beyond the walls or true safety.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

So, let’s try this. Just for arguments sake: Gun Control is a hot issue. If the Catholic Church made it a policy for police officers to bring their firearm to Church, citizens MUST under the Constitution have the same right. With all of these Church shootings, who would be asked to leave their firearm at home first? Breach of Constitution.

 

[boclucky14]

Our parish has an app that silences our phones while at the IP address.

Once you leave the parking lot, your ringer is activated again

Problem solved.

That’s actually pretty impressive. I presume that it works via WiFi? I forget to turn on wifi sometimes, so now I need an app for that

 

[pianistclare]

I think it’s from FORMED.org

Can’t recall. But it works great.

 

[SMHW]

As as I know, law enforcement officers already bring firearms to Church, at least if they are in uniform and/or on duty.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

So, if a Church member was wrongly identified and reached for their own firearm the police officer would claim her or she had reasonably assumed the Church was ok with them shooing the individual?

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

So, if a Church member was wrongly identified and reached for their own firearm the police officer would claim her or she had reasonably assumed the Church was ok with them shooing the individual?

Are you living in a Charleston Heston movie where all the cops have twitchy fingers?

Officers are allowed open carry. They always have been. This is nothing new.

 

[boclucky14]

So, if a Church member was wrongly identified and reached for their own firearm the police officer would claim her or she had reasonably assumed the Church was ok with them shooing the individual?

Yes. If the person attempted to shoot the officer and did not comply with the officer after the officer clearly gave orders to the individual as an officer, then yes, the officer has a right to use deadly force for self-defense against a possible aggressor.

EDIT: Also, any sane person with a legal firearm would not reach for it while being approached by a cop. That’s just stupid.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

No, I am living in reality where I don’t think the Church will last (with earning Gods uttermost disappointments) having Catholics put into motion this happening at night starting on Catholic grounds with a Priest whistleblowing a homeless man instead of engaging them:

 

[SMHW]

So, if a Church member was wrongly identified and reached for their own firearm the police officer would claim her or she had reasonably assumed the Church was ok with them shooing the individual?

Such an event would be horrible and there would be all kinds of discussion going on.

But whether we are talking about guns or cell phones, there is still the matter of what can and/or should be
done about it. There is limited benefit in making rules unless there is a way to practically enforce such rules.

What sort of rules would you propose for cell phones and alerts and what would be the consequences of breaking them?

 

[boclucky14]

No, I am living in reality where I don’t think the Church will last (with earning Gods uttermost disappointments) having Catholics put into motion this happening at night starting on Catholic grounds with a Priest whistleblowing a homeless man instead of engaging them:

First, please don’t watch The Young Turks. They are a horribly biased “news” company supports by MSNBC and Google. They don’t verify their facts and have an agenda (that they don’t tell you about).

The person did not comply with police orders, and appeared to be reaching behind his back (for a possible weapon). The video itself shows the person not complying with police. This is why you comply with police orders, because they are fearing for their lives as much as the next person.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

No, I am living in reality where I don’t think the Church will last (with earning Gods uttermost disappointments) having Catholics put into motion this happening at night starting on Catholic grounds with a Priest whistleblowing a homeless man instead of engaging them:

What?

First, I don’t click unlabled links.

Second, the priest has a need to protect SACRED ground. A priest is easily too old, too frail or too busy to have a 1:1 with every drunk who tries to set up a drinking hole on Church grounds.

Are you really suggesting that a priest stay up all night having meaningful conversations with sloppy drunks and druggies and then proceed to say Mass, administer sacraments, visit people etc during the day?

When in the world is the poor guy going to sleep?

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

Nice to see you back again Your parish was clever to have an app to silence the phones.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

Haha, wow. So many excuses against the footage, does anyone have reasons to support the Sanhedrin?

Not interested in the link? Google “James Boyd Albuquerque” and see the video

 

[boclucky14]

Haha, wow. So many excuses against the footage, does anyone have reasons to support the Sanhedrin?

I’m not saying what happened was not horrible. Of course a better outcome was desired. The video doesn’t show the whole story, such as that there were hours of negotiations before this went down. At this point, the man, James Boyd, decided to leave. You can see in the video he was picking up his stuff and leaving - the officers couldn’t do that, as he was armed with knives. At ~1:20, you can see the K-9 unit was attempting to stop the subject (with a bunch of “get on the ground” yells). James Boyd had knifes in his hands again and was close enough to quickly lunge at the K-9 handler. He made a quick move and the supporting officers for the K-9 unit made the decision to use lethal force. Of course, the quick move was running away [which there was no way the officers could have known], but at that point it was too late.

It was tragic. It shouldn’t have happened. The officers might have been able to do something different. But that’s a bunch of what ifs, and we can’t live on what ifs. What if they just talked a few more hours? What if they just let him go with his knives into the town? You can’t blame officers on what ifs.

Having said that, that has nothing to with the topic at hand.