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I was curious about this rite. What rite are chaldeans under? Also can there priests get married? What are some of the main differences between the chaldeans and the latin rite?

what are some of there rich traditions that make them unqiue ?

God bless you
 
The Chaldeans come from the East Styrian tradtion–the Assyrian Church of the East (supposedly, but not really now Nestorians, if they ever were).

One web site is

www.kaldu.org

And you can learn a lot from ronyodish, Chaldean Rite, and HailMary, who all requently post here.

The Syro-Malankara Catholics of Indis use a version of this Liturgy. I don’t know if there is a non-Catholic Indian counterpart.
 
can some more chaldeans answer my question.

The reason I ask is because sometime in the future I may switch from latin rite to the chaldean rite. I want to learn more about this rite but im having a hard time finding out some of the more finer details.
 
Wouldn’t the best way to find out bout the “finer points” be to go to your local Chaldean Church, participate in the Holy Qorbano, and ask questions there?
 
Yes it would be but for private reasons I can’t really do that right now .

So I must find my answers on here…do you have any ?
 
So I must find my answers on here…do you have any ?

**Like I said, did you go to

www.kaldu.org

?

This is one Chaldean Catholic web site. HailMary (a Chaldean Catholic who posts here) has one called

www.qorbono.com

(I hope I spelled it right).**
 
I was curious about this rite. What rite are chaldeans under? Also can there priests get married? What are some of the main differences between the chaldeans and the latin rite?

what are some of there rich traditions that make them unqiue ?

God bless you
The Chaldeans are part of the east Syriac tradition. They were formerly a part of the Church of the East which broke from communion with Rome and the Greeks in the 5th century largely for political reasons but also because of some theological misunderstandings. They were accused of being nestorians but the reality is that they never held to these ideas.

They use the liturgy of Adai and Mari. The priests can marry.

Their Tradition is very semitic. They are inheriters, along with the west Syriacs, of the tradition of the Judao-Christians of the first couple centuries. Their theology is more biblical and less philosophical. It uses paradox and imagery.

The Church of the East/Chaldeans have been a martyr Church basically because they have lived under the rule of Islam and they have suffered greatly.
 
SoulRebel777,

As bpbasilphx have said, go to this site: www.kaldu.org, which is the site of the Western US Catholic Eparchy for Chaldeans and Assyrians, and you can specifically check the section of the site which has some English info. on our tradition: Chaldean Institute for Mesopotamian Studies - Theology Course - 2007

There is not a whole lot of material in English right now, as we are still translating parts of our tradition. If you have some money to spend on books, I would recommend that you get a copy of these two books for now:
For now, this should be some good reading material for you.

God bless,

Rony
 
thank you very much.

I did check out the site…

can you tell me some of your traditions that you practice in your homes and with your church?

Also can someone get married in your rite then become a priest afterwards? would one need to go to iraq to become a priest?
 
The Syro-Malankara Catholics of Indis use a version of this Liturgy. I don’t know if there is a non-Catholic Indian counterpart.
bpbasilphx,

Just a small correction, it’s the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church that uses the same basic Assyro-Chaldean tradition, with an Indian adaptation. The other Indian Catholics who are known as Syro-Malankara Catholics use the Antiochene tradition, with an Indian adaptation.

As far as a non-Catholic counterpart to the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church, there is the Chaldean Syrian Church, which is basically the Assyrian Church of the East in India.

As far as non-Catholic counterparts to the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, there are:
God bless,

Rony
 
thank you very much.
I did check out the site…
can you tell me some of your traditions that you practice in your homes and with your church?
Some examples:

At home:
  • The simplest and minimal prayers are the Sign of the Cross, the Lord’s Prayer, and the Hail Mary. Some Chaldeans have a more expanded and deeper prayer life, based on prayer books that are used (mostly in Arabic), and some pray the Rosary.
  • Some families sing Church hymns at home. Some write Christian poetry and recite them with family at home and/or friends at gatherings.
  • Depending on the liturgical cycle, there are periods for fasting, and one such period is a 3 day fast called Baoutha.
At Church:
  • In the liturgical cycle and calendar, we have several feast and memorial days. Some Chaldeans attend regularly these feast days whenever the Church is celebrating the liturgy. On the main feasts of Yalda (Birth) and Qyamta (Resurrection), you get the largest attendance of people.
  • In addition to the Raza Qadisha (the Holy Mystery of the Eucharist), some parishes will have evening (Ramsha), and morning (Sapra) prayers, typically on Saturday and Sunday, and some people gather for these.
  • There are many activities such as Catechesis, Bible Study, and prayer groups mainly, but some parishes have youth groups, and other activities for church and the community at large.
Also can someone get married in your rite then become a priest afterwards? would one need to go to iraq to become a priest?
Yes, a married man can become a priest (though only about 5% or so of our priests are married). As far as going to Iraq in order to be ordained, I’m not certain about the current rules for Chaldeans on this issue.

God bless,

Rony
 
thank you rony very much thats what i was looking for.

Im going to buy one of those books you showed me as well, and soon as im able im going to attend one of the chaldean churches here in san diego.

any advice when visiting one?
 
any advice when visiting one?
Sorry I joined in on the conversation late. I just wanted to say in regards to advice visiting the Church… I have been told our people are very friendly to visitors. So please just introduce yourself to people and tell them that you want to learn more about the tradition. Usually you will be pointed to some person or another who knows quite a bit about the Church and can answer many of your questions.

The Chaldean Church in San Diego is the Cathedral for the diocese and, besides having priests, it has many young people who know about their faith. There is also a seminary there in which some of those young people are enrolled.

Sorrry for the late and quick response… I have to run.

Peace,
 
SoulRebel777,

In addition to what Anthony (antgaria) has said, if you attend St. Peter’s in San Diego on a Sunday, there is an English liturgy at 9:30, and an Aramaic liturgy at 11:15. I currently live in Ohio, so I’m not certain if the times are still the same. Just dress modestly, and when the liturgy starts, follow along with the people. There is a liturgy book that you can pick up to follow along. When the people cross themselves, hand you the sign of peace, etc., do likewise.

I don’t know how old you are, but if you are a youth, there is also a youth group that you can join. It’s called Breath of Life (BOL), started by a couple of friends of mine.

God bless,

Rony
 
Just wanted to let you guys know that tomorrow I’ll be attending the “new” local Chaldean parish, St. Thomas. It entered the Catholic Communion with Mar Bawai Soro two weeks ago. I look forward to meeting our newest Catholic Parish in the Seattle area. 😃

Peace and God bless!
 
Just wanted to let you guys know that tomorrow I’ll be attending the “new” local Chaldean parish, St. Thomas

Do tell us all about your experience, Ghosty. I, foir one, would love to hear about it! 🙂
 
Just wanted to let you guys know that tomorrow I’ll be attending the “new” local Chaldean parish, St. Thomas. It entered the Catholic Communion with Mar Bawai Soro two weeks ago. I look forward to meeting our newest Catholic Parish in the Seattle area. 😃

Peace and God bless!
That’s great! 👍

How was it?
 
Well, I just got back from the Liturgy. It was a very nice experience, though I showed up a little late just as the Gospel reading was finishing (I thought the Liturgy started at 9:30, when in fact it started at 9:00). It was the Liturgy of Addai and Mari, and my first time experiencing it.

To be honest it reminded me a lot of the Maronite Liturgy which I’ve experienced a few times. I don’t remember too much of the specifics of the Maronite Liturgy, but the general pace and feel was very similar, along with a few traditions such as the “passing” of the blessing of Peace from the priest to the congregation. It’s a “simple” Liturgy, in a very good sense, lacking the pomp that I’m used to in the Melkite Divine Liturgy (which is not to say the Melkite Liturgy is bad for this, I also think the pomp has its place, and is very nice in its context). The Liturgy was entirely in English.

The church itself was very simple, as I expected, with a wall and curtain used to delineate the sanctuary from the congregation. No icons in the main part of the Church, which again was no surprise, though there were some in the after-liturgy gathering area downstairs.

It was nice to experience the Anaphora of Addai and Mari being used, though I must admit it was a bit unusual to not hear the “words of institution”. It was obvious that the Liturgy preserves the full meaning of the words, however, constantly referring to the Body and Blood of Christ being on the altar, and being distributed and received, ect. In fact, this emphasis seemed to occur slightly more frequently in the prayers than what you’d hear in the Byzantine or Latin traditions, so it’s clear that the lack of “words of institution” has no effect on the intention and belief in the Real Presence and the Sacrifice of the Liturgy. Having now experienced it first hand, I can totally understand why it was determined by the Catholic Church to be completely valid, and that the “words of institution” are implicit; the priest is obviously performing the same Sacrament of the Eucharist, without doubt. Only an insistence on a “magical formula” could lead one to believe otherwise, IMO.

After the Liturgy I had a wonderful discussion with Fr. Michael Birnie about his Church, and about Mar Bawai’s efforts. It was clear to me that this group has considered itself “Catholic” for some time, and that recent events were in many ways a formality for them (they had a little screen that displayed a slide-show of the ceremony with Mar Bawai during the recent Pentecost). They even had pictures of Pope John Paul II in their gathering area for after the Liturgy. Fr. Michael said that he hasn’t modified their Liturgical text to commemorate the Pope or their new Chaldean Bishop yet, but that’s in the works (old habits die hard, after all; I think we can all remember how long it took to adjust to the name Benedict being used). There is still some question over precisely what role Mar Bawai will play in the Chaldean diocese, and apparently he’s still got some paperwork going through the Church to get all the Canonical technicalities settled.

We discussed the history of their Church, which also reminded me a lot of the Maronites. Very similar histories and experiences, it seems, though in slightly different locations. I could have stayed and talked all morning, but Father is recovering from a recent stroke and his wife gently reminded him that they had to get going. Everyone was very friendly and welcoming, and they all greeted me after the Liturgy and thanked me for coming.

I definitely look forward to going back again, and hopefully encouraging some cooperation between our two communities.

Peace and God bless!
 
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