Change in Christ's Church...

[Singinbeauty]

An interesting question popped into my head today and I thought I would bring it up here…

Where was it ever said that the Church Christ founded would never change?

I know He doesn’t change, but for the life of me I cannot see where He said that the Church wouldn’t change. Yes, it has split into various sections but I believe that we still work to spread Christ’s Word. So the Church hasn’t died or succumbed to the Gates of Hell, but it HAS changed. What we (both protestants and catholics) fail to see is that we all serve the same God and that we are all part of the same Body here on earth.

Where was it ever written or said that the Church would NEVER change?

 

[TriuneUnity]

An interesting question popped into my head today and I thought I would bring it up here…

Where was it ever said that the Church Christ founded would never change?

How are you defining change, though? Do you mean the nature of the Church, or the doctrines it teaches?

 

[Singinbeauty]

I guess either, it brings up the question:

Did He ever say that we would always worship the same?

It’s a working question, as I said it just popped into my head so I thought I would post it.

Thank you for taking the time to view and discuss it.

 

[TriuneUnity]

I guess either, it brings up the question:

Doctrine cannot change, the faith has been “once and for all delivered to the saints.”

The marks of the Church have not changed; the faithful proclamation of the Word and the administration of the sacraments as instituted by Christ.

Did He ever say that we would always worship the same?

God did not command a particular form of worship for the New Testament Church. Having said that, though, the historic Christian liturgy is the most biblical.

Thank you for taking the time to view and discuss it.

Welcome

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

An interesting question popped into my head today and I thought I would bring it up here…

Where was it ever said that the Church Christ founded would never change?

I know He doesn’t change, but for the life of me I cannot see where He said that the Church wouldn’t change. Yes, it has split into various sections but I believe that we still work to spread Christ’s Word. So the Church hasn’t died or succumbed to the Gates of Hell, but it HAS changed. What we (both protestants and catholics) fail to see is that we all serve the same God and that we are all part of the same Body here on earth.

Where was it ever written or said that the Church would NEVER change?

I think the way Christ setup the Church, it was setup to change under Peter’s authority or the successors to Peter.

Mat 16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

With that thought in mind, I will say that I believe the Church was supposed to be one.

Joh 10:16 And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd.

Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them.

1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

Php 2:2 complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.
Joh 17:18 As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.
Joh 17:19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth.
Joh 17:20 "I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word,
Joh 17:21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
Joh 17:23 I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.

It is not my intention to argue with anyone here, I am only offering up my opinion on the topic. I do believe Catholics and most Protestants worship the same triune God: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is doctrines that separates us.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[Jonathan_Cid]

Dogmas, the essential truths of the faith, never change. They have always been true, are true, and always will be true. They cannot change because they ARE truth, and the Church is the pillar and ground of truth.

 

[Mannyfit75]

An interesting question popped into my head today and I thought I would bring it up here…

Where was it ever said that the Church Christ founded would never change?

I know He doesn’t change, but for the life of me I cannot see where He said that the Church wouldn’t change. Yes, it has split into various sections but I believe that we still work to spread Christ’s Word. So the Church hasn’t died or succumbed to the Gates of Hell, but it HAS changed. What we (both protestants and catholics) fail to see is that we all serve the same God and that we are all part of the same Body here on earth.

Where was it ever written or said that the Church would NEVER change?

Well, the Church discipline can change such as the way of the Liturgy is to be read. It use to be that the whole Church Liturgy use Greek in the beginning. Then in the West, it was Latin, but the Eastern Europe use the Greek Language in its Liturgy. As time pass,that would change to native language the the worship is always a Liturgical and Eucharistic.

The teaching of the Church concerning faith and morals never change. We have a more defined meaning of how we view God. Before Jesus came into humanity, no one had an idea that God is a triune God. When he did came, he revealed himself to us. There was no question that the Early Christians believe that Jesus is God but Christians never had defined God. Nor did it had a idea what the relationship with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit was. It was not until Arianism came that the Church had to set a more orthodox Christian belief. In 325 AD, the Council of Nicea affirm the belief of the Trinity. Even though the Council affirm this, the fourth Century, the Arianists make up the majority of the Christians. There were few orthodox Christian then… But the Church officials believed what it had always believe.

Keep in mind that our belief is not base on opinion polls. It is through the Holy Spirit that the Church reveals this. This is done through long discernment, study, and reflection.