Change the name of the forum?

[Mike30]

The EF is supposed to “enrich” the OF…but we cannot compare them.

How’s that supposed to work?

I’m asking a serious question. Is “enrichment” some mystical thing, or does it occur when people discuss the differences and make decisions based upon this discussion? Or is it a more clericalist thing…Clerics can compare rites, not the laity?

For years the Latin Mass Society in San Diego had a weekly Traditional Mass celebrated at a local cemetary chapel. The Priest was an older diocesan Priest who was had been assigned the job by the Bishop. In one of his messages over the years he related how he wasn’t particularly happy to have been chosen for the task as he had no real desire to celebrate the Traditional Mass. He wasn’t particularly attached or attracted to it but he celebrated it out of obedience.

The remarkable thing that he noticed was that by celebrating the Traditional Mass, he found that his celebration of the Ordinary Mass became more reverent, more serious and more focused. He said he believed that his exposure to the Traditional Mass deeply enriched his celebrations of the Ordinary Form, so maybe that is what is meant by enrichment. Perhaps being close to a Mass that is highly structured and that is knee deep in symbolism can elevate the appreciation that a person has for all Masses.

Just a guess on my part.

Just an aside, the Traditional Mass Society in San Diego no longer has a Mass celebrated at the cemetary, although attending a Mass in a mauseleum was a very interesting experience. No due to the tremendous number of people attending and the grace of God and the Blessed Virgin, San Diego now has a fully traditional parish. whic offer two Masses daily except for Sunday when six are offered.

stannes-sandiego.org/

 

[superamazingman]

For years the Latin Mass Society in San Diego had a weekly Traditional Mass celebrated at a local cemetary chapel. The Priest was an older diocesan Priest who was had been assigned the job by the Bishop. In one of his messages over the years he related how he wasn’t particularly happy to have been chosen for the task as he had no real desire to celebrate the Traditional Mass. He wasn’t particularly attached or attracted to it but he celebrated it out of obedience.

The remarkable thing that he noticed was that by celebrating the Traditional Mass, he found that his celebration of the Ordinary Mass became more reverent, more serious and more focused. He said he believed that his exposure to the Traditional Mass deeply enriched his celebrations of the Ordinary Form, so maybe that is what is meant by enrichment. Perhaps being close to a Mass that is highly structured and that is knee deep in symbolism can elevate the appreciation that a person has for all Masses.

wdtprs.com/blog/2012/08/a-bishop-explicitly-charges-all-his-seminarians-to-learn-the-extraordinary-form-wherein-fr-z-rants/

That’s exactly why one of the best bishops in the country has now told all his seminarians to learn the EF. Not primarily for the congregations, although that is one good reason, but for their own sake, and for their own understanding of their priesthood that they (will soon) have.

 

[andrewstx]

Asking for latin in the Mass is not traditionalist. That’s just following the letter of Vatican II, right here: “Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.”

I think there should just be a board for those who what the liturgy as the church asks, that is, with a frequent use of latin, gregorian chant, and polyphony.

I agree and it may surprise you to learn that I love polyphany and chant, and hate “rock masses” and mariachi masses.

I will be open with you and embarress myself. The real reason I prefer Mass in English is that I had a bad stroke and I actually understand it.

It is difficult for to concentrat at Mass, and Latin is beyond my ken. I worked at Brother James court in Springfield Ill and was a postulant for the Franciscan Brothers there. BJC is a residential school for the mentally handicapped. If retarded can go to daily mass and the catholic residents recieve Holy Communion, why can’t I whose mental strength is not too much better?

 

[ProVobis]

I agree and it may surprise you to learn that I love polyphany and chant, and hate “rock masses” and mariachi masses.

I will be open with you and embarress myself. The real reason I prefer Mass in English is that I had a bad stroke and I actually understand it.

It is difficult for to concentrat at Mass, and Latin is beyond my ken. I worked at Brother James court in Springfield Ill and was a postulant for the Franciscan Brothers there. BJC is a residential school for the mentally handicapped. If retarded can go to daily mass and the catholic residents recieve Holy Communion, why can’t I whose mental strength is not too much better?

Yes, but the all-vernacular turned out to be the rule rather than the exception. Vatican II made Latin the norm with allowance in the vernacular where it would be advantageous. When the understanding of the Mass drops so low that one can’t understand the difference between a Catholic Mass and a Lutheran Holy Communion or Anglican BCP service, I can’t see the advantage of that vernacular.

 

[catholicanne]

It doesn’t seem to me that the purpose of this section is to provide a “support group” for Traditional Catholics. First, many (if not most) of the people who post in this section do not define themselves as Traditional Catholics and do not attend the EF. Second, I assume that most of us here moderate our thoughts to comply with the rules.

Actually, I come to this forum because I’m a traditional Catholic and I find support here. I also try my best to follow the rules of the forum.