Changed my views on Homosexuality

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Hello brothers and sisters, just wanted to share my personal story and see if other’s have had similar experiences.
First off, I’m a former Catholic, Agnostic, Jew, then back to Catholicism and now back to Agnosticism. If that makes any sense 😉 I want to believe there is something bigger and better and that Love will transcend death, BUT I must say that even while I was a Catholic most thought of me as the “cafeteria” variety.

Basically I grew up in the 70s/80s with a deep guilt/shame/fear of the big bad sin of “homosexuality.” As I’ve gotten older (49) I have had dear friend and family come out of the closet. I’ve spent my whole life around them and have talked to them extensively. I cannot in my heart of hearts believe that their love for their same sex spouses and friends is in any way a sin or wrong. In fact more of them are in happier marriages than my own haha. Anyway just putting this out there. I realize this is a Catholic forum, but I was happy to see in real life that most of my Catholic friends actually feel the same way. Thank you for listening.
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Ellipses said:
I cannot in my heart of hearts believe that their love for their same sex spouses and friends is in any way a sin or wrong.
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Love is never a sin or wrong, but true Love always seeks the best for the loved one. For Catholics, that is for the soul created by and for God to dwell with Him for eternity in heaven.
 
Okay, I’ll bite.
Love is good.
Love is not sex.
Not all sexual expression is good.

But love is good.

We are all sinners.
Sin is bad.
God loves us no matter what.
But we don’t have permission to commit sin.

Peace
 
These are just my thoughts…I have close family and friends that are lovely people who happen to be homosexuals. I’ve thought about it and have come to the conclusion that God does not view us as sexual beings who base life off of that. Instead we are souls with bodies and we’re intended to be in relationships where children can be born of such a relationship where we can raise these children in the way of the Lord. When homosexuals create relationships it is, for all history but recent, impossible to have children. I think God intends us to have male and female influences to foster some sort of understanding of family. Family should equal love. The essence of homosexual union therefore makes you into a sexual being first. As a side note, I feel a lot of heterosexual relationships also fall into this category when they are created out of only sexual desire and no desire for family, which before recent times was also out of our control. In essence I don’t believe they’re evil, but just not fully realizing the intention of God by creating ourselves as sexual beings first. I have a great sense of compassion for people with same sex attraction and who struggle with their relationship with God. God have mercy on us all.
 
The Bible teaches that God made male and female, and a man shall leave his mother and cling to his wife. Homosexuality in condemned in the Old Testament and in the New Testament in Paul’s epistles. The Catholic Church condemns all sexual activity outside of that between one man and one woman in marriage. It always has and always will. If you decide not to believe that, it is your free will turning away from the truth.
There is no question that sexual permissiveness has opened a Pandora’s box of evil since the sexual revolution of the 1960s. Abortion, homosexuality, the current fad of transgenderism, the ugly displays of gays and trangender mocking the Church and Jesus, you name it. It is clear these evils are all related and are even a type of substitute religion for some people. There’s more to come: take bets on the next sexual fad to emerge.
On this Good Friday, let’s pray that this mockery and spitting at Jesus stops.
 
Ellipses said:
I cannot in my heart of hearts believe that their love for their same sex spouses and friends is in any way a sin or wrong.
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It’s not emotional feelings that’s sin. It’s the…other…aspects.
 
How does the Church know that God didn’t create sexual activity for pure pleasure in addition to the other reasons the Church gives. Without itemizing body parts involved, etc.,… They are all designed so they can be used in exclusive ways, without incorporation of all of the ways. How wonderful, to my way of thinking as an agnostic, that the body was created in such versatile fashion. It meets the needs of everyone, regardless of where they are in life. The Church claims this view of human sexuality isn’t in accordance with Natural Law. How can it not be?
 
The Church claims this view of human sexuality isn’t in accordance with Natural Law. How can it not be?
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Because we can use our bodies to do many sinful things.
Just because it is possible does not mean it conforms to natural law (I can use my hands to strangle someone).
And just because something is pleasurable does not make it good (I could cheat on my wife).
 
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Ellipses said:
I cannot in my heart of hearts believe that their love for their same sex spouses and friends is in any way a sin or wrong
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Well you are wrong and God disagrees with you. God is very explicit that same sex sexual relationships is gravely sinful.
Sadly, people who are gay and those who are not but support such sins do not want to obey God but want God to bend to their own will by going on about how love can’t be wrong and if God is love and merciful he would support that. Such people are rejecting God (that is what a mortal sin means).
 
I think the future will see more and more Catholics, of all sexual orientations, rejecting Church teaching on this subject as more and more of their loved ones reveal themselves as gay. I have seen this in my own family and social circles. The struggles the Church is having responding to this trend illustrates further the risk it faces. On the one hand it has urged greater sympathy and respect and support for homosexuals. On the other it has completely banned people of confirmed homosexual orientation from the seminary. This may be one issue that is ‘solved’ only by schism. I think the larger part of the Church in the west might depart, but in the third world the great majority would remain with tradition. In the west the more liberal, schismatic Church might attract more converts or reverts especially with liberalisation of other sexual teachings. Just speculation but what present as personal issues often have much greater significance.
 
Sexual pleasure is just a gift.
Just like you are on a business trip, your primary goal is to work, but you receive free accommodation and meals from company as gift.
 
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I love everyone dearly. My homosexual nature makes me love people more (both sexes).
But I just know that I will never go into a bedroom with a guy (same sex as me). It’s my cross.
That’s my personal experience. Maybe because I have a light heart and too many interests to make me forget about my lonely life sometimes.
It’s different for each person. I am just sharing my thought.
 
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Well, although you have changed your views regarding homosexuality, the Church has not, and probably cannot. This is certainly the Church’s prerogative, as it is yours to have your own views on the issue. I have not had similar experiences to yours since, coming from a liberal background within Judaism, I have always accepted the gay lifestyle. But I can understand those who do not, particularly if based on their religious principles. BTW, you may have a few more changes due in your life–given your Catholic, agnostic, and Jewish turns–before it’s over, so be prepared!
 
Human sexual expression is a gift of God with the intention of sharing his great attribute of Creator with his creation, man. All other uses of the sexual function of the human being, outside of marriage between and man and a woman is disordered. It is outside of the order as God created it. As to the intensity of his displeasure with those who abuse the sexual function of man, be it hetero, homo, trans, solitary, etc. etc., that is up to God. His judgment is exactly that, His. AS to the church bending to current societal whims and deviations, it is not going to happen. Maybe with a better understanding of the mind of those who are “disordered” our understanding of the culpability of one’s actions before God will be more charitably understood, but not officially “endorsed” by the Magisterium.
 
There is nothing wrong of two people loving each other. But in order to obtain a wedding, some conditions must hold. The church absolutely has the right to regulate who can or cannot get holy matrimony in the Catholic church.
 
joeybaggz said:
Maybe with a better understanding of the mind of those who are “disordered”
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The Church does not teach that homosexual individuals are disordered, any more than anyone else is disordered. The Church teaches that INCLINATIONS or ACTIONS are disordered, not people.
 
Prodigal_Son said:
The Church teaches that INCLINATIONS or ACTIONS are disordered, not people.
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That is right. You can be what you think, but you are what you do! If you think you are gay, but then you move on and live like a straight person, then you are actually not a gay. However, if you act on your gay impulse, then you become a gay.
 
curious_cath said:
If you think you are gay, but then you move on and live like a straight person, then you are actually not a gay.
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That is not at all correct. You will be a gay person living as a straight person. People do this all the time. They get married to a member of the opposite sex, hoping they can pretend to be straight. It doesn’t work. They are still gay.
 
FiveLinden said:
I think the future will see more and more Catholics, of all sexual orientations, rejecting Church teaching on this subject as more and more of their loved ones reveal themselves as gay.
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do you think the church teaching is wrong on this subject? if you do, where in scripture can you prove your point of view? or should the church throw out its Holy Book for the sake of conformity with the world.
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I agree. In the under-developed nations, Catholicism will remain under-developed.
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what teaching is different there?
 
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