Changed wording during the Concecration

[MarkThompson]

I guess it doesn’t make sense to me that the priest says “This is my body” and says it will be given up later, in the future, when really the whole Mass is a Sacrifice; during Mass it is being given up and offered now.

The institution narrative describes the words of Christ. At the time of the Last Supper, his body had not yet been given up (or handed over, if you prefer). Following your logic, we ought to put it in the past tense: “This is my body, which was given up for you.”

The added phrase with future tense makes even less sense when Communion isn’t distributed, as for a priest saying mass without a congregation.

The priest is not conceived of as speaking to the congregation here. The “you” is not the assembly at Mass, it is the Apostles at the Last Supper. And “given up for you” does not mean “given to you (in the distribution of Communion),” it refers to being handed over for execution and delivered up unto death. Trado also means “betray.” The phrase is certainly not to be construed as “tradetur vobis,” given up/handed over to you.

 

[japhy]

The Greek of the New Testament uses the present tense: “which is given” and “which is poured out”. Some Latin translations (I believe Jerome’s original vulgate) use the present tense as well: “datur” (“is given”) and “effunditur” (“is poured out”). But I believe the Clementine Vulgate uses the future tense, which is why the Douay-Rheims English translation uses the future tense.

I think the present tense emphasizes the sacrificial nature (and the Real Presence) of the Last Supper.

 

[Spirithound]

John 6 has it: “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

John 6 is not an Institution Narrative. Your quote does not appear there.

 

[ProVobis]

John 6 has it: “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

Strike that. My Synopsis of the Four Gospels lists the Last Supper under John 6:51-58 but it has that particular translation as an imprint from I Cor 11: 23-25.

 

[laszlo]

To specify, my example was of a priest who DOES say the “this is my body” and “this is my blood” part, but earlier, when he holds his hands over the bread and wine to bless them, he does not specifically say “that this may become the body and blood”. He does say it later though, repeating Jesus’ words.

If you DO witness something that is illicit, do you take communion, or not?

At this moment there are at least 7 valid canons (may be more), so we shall be careful if the priest says unfamiliar words. Jesus Christ is present, if there is (wheat) bread and (grape) wine mixed with some water and the priest with intention to say what the Church does says the ‘This is my Body’ and ‘This is my Blood’ .

Also sometimes the priest honestly mistakes words. For some priests who like to adlibit even during the canon, are doubt that they understand what they are doing. I have a very honest hard working territorial pastor who does that. I go to a church far away where the Canon means the Roman Canon word to word, but do not feel myself as judge of my territorial pastor.

 

[Victory9]

We left a very high-quality diocese and moved to a liberal diocese, though not as liberal as some others in this country, so before leaving I asked our pastor what constituted a valid Mass from an invalid one. He said that the priest HAS TO say, “This is My body…This is My blood…” If the priest does not say that, it is invalid.
Our pastor changes every single prayer and reading in his Mass, but not radically so, and it really irritates me, but one thing no priest can do is change the actual consecration wording. The Holy See throughout the ages has put rules in place precisely to avoid abuse and invalid Masses, and ultimately, heresy.
You need to write to your bishop documenting the abuses. No priest has the authority to change the consecration, nor does any bishop, nor does the Pope. Jesus specifically said, “…this is My body…this is My blood…”, and the Church must obey what Jesus said ~ …“do this in remembrance of Me.” It DOES matter.