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eric3141
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I am Catholic because I was told it teaches the same things handed down by the apostles unchanged but perhaps clarified over time. Yet more and more I see actual changes in doctrine. If one is going to be a member of a church that changes it’s doctrinal teaching then there are other churches I’d prefer to be a member of just because I like their liturgy better.
Examples:
Before the 1960’s or 1970’s the Popes and saints taught that wives had to obey their husbands. In the last 40 years or so not a peep about this. And the Vatican is quite aware that priests and bishops are commonly teaching that wives do not have to obey their husbands as everything is to be done by joint decision. Nowhere is this found in the tradition yet it is what is taught today.
Annullments: my grandmother got pregnant at age 17 and got married as a result. If she had later gotten divorced and applied for an annullment on these grounds it would have been denied as that did not invalidate a marriage. Today my spiritual advisor (a very faithful and conservative priest) tells me that getting married because you are young and pregnant will be grounds for getting an annullment because her will was not “free” somehow. Before this did not invalidate a marriage but today it does. 2/3 of all annullments come from North America – on a practical basis it is divorce and remarriage under another name.
No salvation outside the Church: before Pope Pius IX, the Popes taught a very literal understanding of this. I have read the exhaustive list of papal quotes on this and before the 1800’s they had a very literal teaching on this subject. One must at least be a catechumen to get into heaven. After Pius IX that all went out the window and now people who have never hearrd of the Catholic church can get into heaven.
I have no vested interest in any of the 3 items I listed above. My point is that Church teaching on each of them has changed.
Examples:
Before the 1960’s or 1970’s the Popes and saints taught that wives had to obey their husbands. In the last 40 years or so not a peep about this. And the Vatican is quite aware that priests and bishops are commonly teaching that wives do not have to obey their husbands as everything is to be done by joint decision. Nowhere is this found in the tradition yet it is what is taught today.
Annullments: my grandmother got pregnant at age 17 and got married as a result. If she had later gotten divorced and applied for an annullment on these grounds it would have been denied as that did not invalidate a marriage. Today my spiritual advisor (a very faithful and conservative priest) tells me that getting married because you are young and pregnant will be grounds for getting an annullment because her will was not “free” somehow. Before this did not invalidate a marriage but today it does. 2/3 of all annullments come from North America – on a practical basis it is divorce and remarriage under another name.
No salvation outside the Church: before Pope Pius IX, the Popes taught a very literal understanding of this. I have read the exhaustive list of papal quotes on this and before the 1800’s they had a very literal teaching on this subject. One must at least be a catechumen to get into heaven. After Pius IX that all went out the window and now people who have never hearrd of the Catholic church can get into heaven.
I have no vested interest in any of the 3 items I listed above. My point is that Church teaching on each of them has changed.