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Maximilian75
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Did Benedict start it for himself? no.
Not sure why you’ve replied with this…
Not sure why you’ve replied with this…
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paperwight
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Not sure why you distinguish between Ordinary Form and Novus Ordo? They are one and the same thing, with the term Ordinary Form preferred as it is the one used by the Pope.The situation for me will stay the way it is.
I wish to attend a SSPX parish one time in the future while being in a bigger city than the one I live in since it´s not offered here.
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It´s Catholicism just mainly more traditional. SSPX offers Latin Mass and Ad Orientem which is way more traditional than Ordinary form and Novus Ordo…
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Shasta-Rose
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That sounds like the best idea.
For Sunday Mass, I go to the earliest one. Usually a Mass that features kids won’t be that one, as many parents have trouble getting everybody up and out to church very early.
For Sunday Mass, I go to the earliest one. Usually a Mass that features kids won’t be that one, as many parents have trouble getting everybody up and out to church very early.
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Kima
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We do only have one in my language since the other ones are in vietnameese or polish.
Okay, I thought there was a difference.
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JulianN
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Where did you get this idea?
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Kima
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I´ve heard about it. Pastoral councils seems to be less binding than other councils.
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In the 1970s the SSPX clergy for the most part had considerable experience training and working in a diocese, under a bishop ordinary, in parishes, alongside diocesan priests and various men’s and women’s religious orders. They likely had many priest friends still working in a diocese, likely still had many connections in Catholic movements where they had been chaplains, or earlier as laity.
Today that common bond of experience is nearly gone.
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JulianN
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I know you are young – and I would encourage you to do a lot more studying of the faith before you make pronouncements on what we are obligated to support or not as Catholics.
It was relevant to the topic .
This video is of Pope John Paul II celebrating the Eucharist in Bellahouston Park in Glasgow ,
I suggest you watch from 9.22 .
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Scott84
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Less binding? Where do you get that from?
Vatican II was an ecumenical council, though it was an ecumenical council that dealt more with pastoral issues than doctrinal ones, but any ecumenical council is still binding nonetheless. That is why SSPX’s situation with the Church is complicated. They reject some of the documents from Vatican II, mainly Religious Freedom because they argue that it conflicts with previously established Church doctrine.
No matter what terminology one uses, SSPX is Catholic, but their status within the Church is complicated. They have quite the turbulent history. Only under Pope Benedict XVI were the excommunications given to SSPX’s bishops and priests under John Paul II lifted. However, their status still isn’t in full communion with Rome. That is why SSPX’s new Superior General has been having ongoing negotiations with the Vatican to see if SSPX can come into full communion with Rome.
Not in full communion with Rome? What does this mean exactly? Well, yes, SSPX are members of the Catholic Church. However, it is not that they lack “full faculties.” Instead, they lack what we call the “clerical state.” Meaning that they lack the status of ministers of the Church.
I will quote an article from EWTN in 2009: http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showr...word=&pgnu=3&groupnum=29&record_bookmark=7380
I have in front of me a letter from the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei written to me in response to a question I had asked in February 2009. The question I posed the Commissio Ecclesia Dei was simply this:
"Can a Catholic in good standing fulfill his Sunday and holy day obligation at a Mass at a chapel of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X?
The Rev. Msgr. Camille Perl, the former Secretary, second in charge of the PCED, responded to my query personally, in a letter dated 20 March, 2009, by stating: ‘Our response is that it is possible to fulfill the Sunday and holy day obligation by assisting at Masses of priests of the Society of St. Pius X, but until such time as their situation is regularized in the Church, even though they are part of the Church, we cannot recommend your doing so.’”
As you can see the situation with SSPX is a messy and complicated one. I would only go to an SSPX church if you have no other option for attending a Traditional Latin Mass (Extraordinary Form). If you have an FSSP or ICKSP church in your diocese, I would recommend going to one of them instead, because FSSP and ICKSP enjoy full communion with the Holy See.
Vatican II was an ecumenical council, though it was an ecumenical council that dealt more with pastoral issues than doctrinal ones, but any ecumenical council is still binding nonetheless. That is why SSPX’s situation with the Church is complicated. They reject some of the documents from Vatican II, mainly Religious Freedom because they argue that it conflicts with previously established Church doctrine.
No matter what terminology one uses, SSPX is Catholic, but their status within the Church is complicated. They have quite the turbulent history. Only under Pope Benedict XVI were the excommunications given to SSPX’s bishops and priests under John Paul II lifted. However, their status still isn’t in full communion with Rome. That is why SSPX’s new Superior General has been having ongoing negotiations with the Vatican to see if SSPX can come into full communion with Rome.
Not in full communion with Rome? What does this mean exactly? Well, yes, SSPX are members of the Catholic Church. However, it is not that they lack “full faculties.” Instead, they lack what we call the “clerical state.” Meaning that they lack the status of ministers of the Church.
I will quote an article from EWTN in 2009: http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showr...word=&pgnu=3&groupnum=29&record_bookmark=7380
I have in front of me a letter from the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei written to me in response to a question I had asked in February 2009. The question I posed the Commissio Ecclesia Dei was simply this:
"Can a Catholic in good standing fulfill his Sunday and holy day obligation at a Mass at a chapel of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X?
The Rev. Msgr. Camille Perl, the former Secretary, second in charge of the PCED, responded to my query personally, in a letter dated 20 March, 2009, by stating: ‘Our response is that it is possible to fulfill the Sunday and holy day obligation by assisting at Masses of priests of the Society of St. Pius X, but until such time as their situation is regularized in the Church, even though they are part of the Church, we cannot recommend your doing so.’”
As you can see the situation with SSPX is a messy and complicated one. I would only go to an SSPX church if you have no other option for attending a Traditional Latin Mass (Extraordinary Form). If you have an FSSP or ICKSP church in your diocese, I would recommend going to one of them instead, because FSSP and ICKSP enjoy full communion with the Holy See.
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Kima
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Okay, thank you for clearing the air 
Unfortunately there aren´t more than one parish within 4 miles or so, and since I don´t drive I don´t have too many options. I guess I´m just going to have to either get used to it, attend the Saturday Mass or go to another parish those days there are Mass specifically dedicated for the children. @Scott84
Unfortunately there aren´t more than one parish within 4 miles or so, and since I don´t drive I don´t have too many options. I guess I´m just going to have to either get used to it, attend the Saturday Mass or go to another parish those days there are Mass specifically dedicated for the children. @Scott84
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Kima
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Thanks for the suggestions I will try to achieve a drivers license at the age of 18 if I manage to do so. Sadly there aren´t many opitions of any other forms of Mass rather than Novus Ordo where I live. Thanks for telling me how I should dress etc. when attending SSPX Mass, I weren´t aware of that.
I will consider veiling. I have seen a few women in my parish doing so, but haven´t really had the courage to do so myself. My mother have bought veils for both of us, but I would rather use a scarf as long it´s okay to do so?
And thanks again God bless you!
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I will try to achieve a drivers license at the age of 18 if I manage to do so. Sadly there aren´t many opitions of any other forms of Mass rather than Novus Ordo where I live. Thanks for telling me how I should dress etc. when attending SSPX Mass, I weren´t aware of that.I will consider veiling. I have seen a few women in my parish doing so, but haven´t really had the courage to do so myself. My mother have bought veils for both of us, but I would rather use a scarf as long it´s okay to do so?
And thanks again
God bless you!@Scott84
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Kima
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Thank you so much! That was helpful! I´m a convert as well, and I don´t know everything so it´s good to get some (name removed by moderator)ut from others with more knowledge about these things Thanks for the prayers! @Scott84
That was helpful! I´m a convert as well, and I don´t know everything so it´s good to get some (name removed by moderator)ut from others with more knowledge about these things Thanks for the prayers! @Scott84
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berniemcken
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“Liturgical abuse accusation thread”I agree there were no abuses.
But it’s been a while since we’ve had a really good liturgical abuse accusation thread.Someone should start such a thread just for old times sake.
Memories light the corners of my mind!
Misty watercolor memories…
Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
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Peeps
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I agree. How wonderful it would be to have a “Praise and Fellowship” Hour once a week, during which we could sing hymns, read the Bible, offer personal testimonies, and enjoy Christian fellowship with each other, and perhaps hear a short meditation from a priest, deacon, or a layperson who has something wonderful to share with the Body of Christ.
I know, I know, I know!–it’s not Mass! Jesus is not Present Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, in a “P and F Hour.” But people would be present–brothers and sisters in Christ–and that would be so nice. And we could converse with each other without having someone stare daggers at us. And Jesus is Present among us, as He said “when two or three are gathered together, He is there.”
Sigh. It’s so lovely to think about, and I’m pretty certain it will never happen in my lifetime. Oh, well.
I know, I know, I know!–it’s not Mass! Jesus is not Present Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, in a “P and F Hour.” But people would be present–brothers and sisters in Christ–and that would be so nice. And we could converse with each other without having someone stare daggers at us. And Jesus is Present among us, as He said “when two or three are gathered together, He is there.”
Sigh. It’s so lovely to think about, and I’m pretty certain it will never happen in my lifetime. Oh, well.
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Ostiarius
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I know guitars have been vilified on a great many online forums, but there is nothing inherently wrong with their use during the celebration of the Mass.
The real issue is HOW they are used. In my parish we used to have a classical guitarist accompany the Mass now and then. It was sublime. Now we have a terrible guitar player/cantor who is used now and then. He’s horrid – he actually tunes DURING the Words of Institution!
Yes, yes, yes, we WOULD prefer an a capella Mass instead of that guitarist!
So it’s not the instrument, it’s the musician.
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babochka
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Mileage may vary…
When I visited an SSPX parish, I wore a slightly below-knee-length skirt, short sleeves, and a hat. Nobody said a thing and I felt perfectly comfortable.
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dochawk
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But at least there it’s acceptable to tack a list of theses to it, which has the collateral benefit of puncturing
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